"Penn & Teller: Bullshit!" Second Hand Smoke/Baby Bullshit (TV Episode 2003) Poster

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4/10
Penn and Teller Missed on This One
sinkerhawk23 May 2009
Specifically regarding second hand smoke portion of the show....sure they make the claim that it doesn't "significantly" cause cancer in non-smokers. To me, that's only half the point. Smoking is a disruptive and invasive activity. When you go into a building where people are smoking it stinks and the smell gets all in your clothing and your hair. It can cause allergic reactions and possibly worse for those people with breathing problems. So who has more rights...the rights of people to burn paper and plant material so they can get a fix or the rights of people to breath clean, fresh air?

In the show, one smoker compared smoking bans to banning cake....wrong! He can eat all the cake he wants to. Unless he smears it on my face and on my clothes I'm not going to smell it, taste it, or get sick because of it. It's just a really really bad comparison. Let's compare it to burning incense. Even in smoking establishments, I would not be allowed to just light up a few candles and set them on my table to stink up the joint. I'd get kicked out.

What about other types of disruptive behavior; noise pollution, really bad BO, being insulting....to me these don't come anywhere close to how bad smoking is but in all three situations the owner of the establishment has the right to ask these folks to leave his business. I really think Penn and Teller focused solely on the limited cancer research to make their show and didn't even address the actual situation....the act of smoking should not interfere with the rights of non-smoking.

Smoking is an action, it's a behavior; non-smoking is not....people don't actively non-smoke. I think people have more of a right to clean air than smokers have a right to make the air I breath and my clothing smell nasty. If a private business owner wants to allow smoking, then he's going to have to deal with non-smokers not shopping there.
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3/10
A poorly argued Libertarian rant (and daddy humiliation)
actzofcongress11 April 2012
Warning: Spoilers
In this episode P&T show their Libertarian ideological leanings as they bash the public smoking ban proposed in NYC. Whereas earlier episodes brought on scientists and doctors to debunk pseudoscience the best they can do here is a Libertarian radio talk show host, a mouthpiece from the Cato Institute (a libertarian "think tank") and Elizabeth Whelan, founder/director of the American Council on Science and Health. (The ACSH has a dubious reputation. Although they claim their mission is "to add reason and balance to debates about public health issues and bring common sense scientific views to the public," they have been criticized for siding with industry over the consumer on many issues.)

The crux of P&T's argument is that the government should not have the right to legislate behavior and poor smokers are being demonized for making an unpopular choice. Of course the rights of the non-smoker are easily dismissed: "If you don't like the smoking in this bar/restaurant, go somewhere else. The health risks are unproven and any objection to the smell or reduced air quality is just opinion."

OK, yes, non-smokers do have the choice to patronize non-smoking venues, but this argument is hypocritical and selfish. Whilst railing against the government for impugning the "right" to smoke these people show no compunction about denying others the "right" to not be subjected to second hand smoke. Why should the people NOT engaging in the contentious behavior be the ones to adjust their behavior and simply accept something offensive to them? (And what's easier: asking smokers to step outside for a few minutes or forcing non-smokers to avoid entire establishments?)

The show spends plenty of time interviewing outraged smokers and venue owners; portraying them as victims, but never once interviews a waitress, food service worker, or bartender who might enjoy the chance to work in a smoke free environment. The only person interviewed in support of the NYC smoking ban is Joe Cherner, President of Smoke Free Educational Services. P&T do their best to make him look as foolish and ignorant as the UFO nuts and psychics from previous shows. Yes, he may be deluded or misled, and when backed into a corner during his interview he falters as he tries to shore up his argument. But ultimately his motives are altruistic. He genuinely feels that smoking and second hand smoke pose a major public health risk and he is putting millions of dollars of his own money into trying to make people healthier. For this he is shamelessly attacked and ridiculed by P&T.

P&T blame the second hand smoke "hysteria" on a 1999 Environmental Protection Agency report. They claim that the adverse effects of second hand smoke are "Bullshit" based on the fact that the finding of this report were ruled against in a Federal court case. Of course they fail to mention that the case was brought against the EPA by Philip Morris and five other "Big Tobacco" companies and argued in North Carolina. The possibility of a biased result should be self evident.

If one looks closely at the case one will see the findings of the EPA showed second hand smoke contains chemicals required to label it a "Class A Carcinogen" but failed to prove that second hand smoke had ever directly caused cancer. Knowing that second hand smoke CAN cause cancer doesn't prove it actually HAS caused cancer, as the EPA alleged. So, yes, technically the EPA overstepped. This DOES NOT, however, lead to the conclusion that second hand smoke is safe. In fact, many studies since 1999 have shown demonstrably the causal link between second hand smoke and various health problems.

P&T's Bullshit does not claim to be a science show. It is entertainment first and foremost. As such ridicule and humiliation are par for the course. However, one would hope that if they are taking the time and money to do an expose they would at least do some objective research and leave the libertarian agenda behind.
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1/10
This episode hasn't aged well
aaronguilmette3 December 2019
I just watched this episode this evening. I've enjoyed many of the other episodes, but this one hasn't held up. The episode originally aired in 2003, and cited an EPA study from 2001 that was later discredited.

However, many subsequent studies and meta-analyses have been performed, and it's widely agreed that secondhand smoke is dangerous. Smoke inhalation, at its most basic form (whether the smoke is from burning wood, tobacco, or meat) replaces oxygen with a mixture of compounds that are not useful to the

While this episode doesn't stand the test of time, their irreverent view is enjoyable and their perspective on questioning is still a valuable takeaway.
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Penn and Teller deliver a strong first segment, weak second segment and a horrific ending where fathers put on diapers to make their babies smarter
J. Spurlin4 March 2007
In the first segment we learn that claims about the danger of second-hand smoke are false, even while anti-smoking crusaders are using dubious studies to support their attempts to ban smoking in public places. Segment two shows us the lack of evidence for marketers' claims that their videos, computer programs, CDs and other products can really make your baby smarter.

The first segment is well-argued with a relatively (for this show) small number of cheap shots. Joe Cherner, the Wall Street entrepreneur-turned-anti-smoking fanatic, is so repulsive that Penn and Teller hardly needed their pack of editing tricks to make him look worse. The second segment is weaker, especially that horrific ending where the jokesters trick a group of fathers into believing that behaving like babies will make their babies smarter. We see them putting on diapers (over their jeans, thank God), wearing bibs, allowing themselves to be spoon-fed, etc. Was this trick really necessary?
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