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6/10
Series name change necessary?
smdickeson21 April 2019
I have watched Trek from way back when and have enjoyed even the bad episodes, but season two of Discovery should be called the Michael Burnham cry me a river show..... It seems that each episode revolves around her more and more, leaving every other character as filler. Starting to wear a bit thin.
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7/10
Am I reading this right?
MartyisGreat29 March 2019
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  • So it seems the AI created section 31 or am I reading too much between the lines? The ship's captain self-infected himself with nanites following some protocol which would only happen if the AI created the protocols in the first place and gives them commands.


  • I didn't understand how phasers were doing zero damage to the cyborg captain? I get he has nanites but he's not T-1000 from Terminator, he's still human flesh that's been infected.


  • The mother and suit got sucked back up separately, does that mean she's going to die in space without the suit?


  • Why does the mother keep saving Burnham if it's not important to "save the universe"? and yet she seems so stoic that your death means nothing. Also don't know how she can watch her child's life? She's a time traveler, not an invisible being.


This show is no longer Star Trek...................no idea what Im watching.
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6/10
Micheal Burnham is allways crying
DVM-Serdar30 March 2019
The acting of Sonequa Martin-Green (Michael Burnham) is horrible. And her dramatic scenes and cryings are really annoying.
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A leap of faith I can't make anymore
Kevin-422 April 2019
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In one of the better movies released in the last couple of years, the main character said:"There is a good story in there somewhere!". Unfortunately, I have no faith anymore in the writing team to grasp the threads of this good story and pull it out of the miasma into which they have written themselves. This crew of Discovery is irredeemably not a Star Fleet crew as long as the centre of this storytelling universe is a mentally and emotionally unstable person unfit to serve anywhere but a psychiatric ward. I would not feel comfortable with Michael Burnham driving a tractor on an Iowa potato farm several miles away from any person. The fact that the actress in the role has a limited range and tends to overact her scenes doesn't help at all.

Time travel to a degree always is a cop-out regarding storytelling. A convenient paradox here, a little "resetting of the timeline" there and everything will be all right but you can only push this kind of narrative so far before it unravels in a puff of logic. It is what eventually doomed the Terminator series and Discovery is headed in the same direction at warp 9. In fact, you have to be extrodinarily good writers to do a time travel story right. If the writers of this show want a lesson they can watch "Dark" (the Netflix series) to see how it's done. Discovery on the other hand is very close to becoming the "Don't do it this way!" example for future generations of storytellers.

Here are a few hints on how you may be able to fix this series:

* Tilly has to have a watershed moment which helps her overcome her imposter syndrom and turns her from a nervous wreck into a Star Fleet officer. I will even give you the key line free of charge: "I know my demons. I have bowed to them my entire life. Now I know that I am stronger than them if I have to.". She can still have a goofy side to her but PLEASE make her competent rather than just talented.

* Allow Michael to fail and grow rather than to mess up and be disappointed. Take the character beyond her childhood trauma and her god complex and let her come into her own. How about "My faith in you, Spock, is the only logical sollution!" "How very human of you......but your logic is flawless.". Make her emotions matter and not just an overbearing plot device to evoke pointless responses from the audience. Basically, let her be an adult rather than a eternal child overflowing with feeling.

* Make Section31 fade back into obscurity. Use the fact that they were the weak link in an outside attack on the Federation the reason why they morphed into this almost unknown entity we know from earlier Star Trek series. You don't have to be a slave to established lore but at least show a little respect for it. Old fans will appreciate it and maybe follow you to where you want to lead them next.

* Humor? Where is it? This show has been very dark. I know that good comedy is hard to write and even harder to act. Humor makes people likable. So far you only managed to make your characters pitiful. That won't do in the long run. They don't have to have bags of swag like Kirk or a moral übermensch like Picard but let them do something "normal". Give them a hobby or if all else fails a pet. Even Data had a cat.

That was a long wall of text but you don't have that much time and only so many episodes to get on course with this show. There were a few episodes with potential this season. Convoluted and over-acted epsidodes like this this one won't do in the long run.
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10/10
Time is out of joint
XweAponX29 March 2019
The focus has narrowed a bit with this episode. We have seen a wide variety of events, we even tried to connect them to things we had seen at other times, even to other shows in this franchise.

But most of this timeline is self contained and self referenced.

In many Trek time stories, they are solved with a simple "Make it never happened" scenario.

That's not going to work here. The complexity level is way beyond anything we've seen in this show before.

Then came 2009's "Star Trek" and it's practical rewrite of Trek's 300-year plus history. The Kelvin timeline was never corrected to the "never happened" point, so anything that happens there is unrelated to any of this.

In Enterprise, we had interesting interference from the Temporal Cold War, but in the end everything reset itself (in one magnificent scene in "Stormfront II" where we get to see this happen). So, we can disregard that as well.

I was hoping that some of these elements would show up as part of Discovery's conundrum, but they haven't- other than a few references.

No. This story is all about the Magic Red Angel. But have we had too much dumped on us?

Actually what is happening here, is that disparate elements that appeared to not have any relation to each other are now showing up as facets of this story as it progresses.

Go back and collect all the pieces: What does a magic asteroid with strange gravitational properties, a group of humans living in the Beta quadrant, Tilly's Mycelial friend, a huge being that contained a memory archive, Dr Culber, Saru's Evolution, and Section 31 have to do with each other?

Not much, unless you take into account who the Red Angel really is and what they have been doing.

And even the Red Angel, will not be the same from this moment on.
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8/10
Nice episode, but nothing happens!
aa-vanille29 March 2019
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"Perpetual Infinity" was a nice episode. It could have been great, but Discovery does have a problem with pacing. The best episodes are those where you can feel the plot actually moving, but those episodes are regretfully few - Brother, New Eden, If Memory Serves are the only ones. The rest of them... the plot rather drags than moves. And Perpetual Infinity was one of those.

It wasn't a bad episode. I definitely enjoyed it more than Point of Light and Saints of Imperfection.

I wasn't thrilled about Michael's mom being the Red Angel but now it kinda grows on me. Loved their interactions in this episode. I also loved the fact that apparently it wasn't Michael's mom, Gabrielle, that sent the seven signals. And now that the suit has been compromised we can only speculate who will send it in the future.

My theory is that the Discovery crew will go a thousand years into the future (see the Calypso episode in Short Treks) to find Gabrielle and then somehow they will send the signals back to the past. Maybe Michael will get to be a Red Angel once the suit is repaired.

Loved Spock in this episode and his relationship with Michael. He's such a great brother to her. And I love how they make him a real person not some idealized Vulcan.

Anyway I love that the intrigue is back in the show.
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6/10
I enjoyed myself, but also cringed alot
frank-fm-smit30 March 2019
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This episode probably contained more tears shred than all of TNG combined. I mean come on the existence of the galaxy is at stake and all you can do is cry and be melodramatic. And that's coming from a woman that had Vulcan training? Cringe to say the least, annoying to be more realistic.

I liked the plot twist of Control taking over Lenend. Makes sense. And Ash and Phillipa joining their forces to do good, despite their questionable past.

Okay episode, but way too many tears.
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10/10
EXCELLENT EPISODE
jenabraham-4331229 March 2019
Such an amazing actress Sonequa Martin Green shines in this episode Michelle Yeoh is just superb I always look forward to seeing Georgio in an episode The low scores and bad ratings on here makes me think are these people actually watching the episode or just rating it badly as a smear campaign I absolutely adore Star Trek especially Discovery There's only 4 more episodes to go and the excitement is edge of your seat thrilling
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6/10
Puny Q, heed the power of HUMAN technology. This is Star Trek: Skynet
Sermell_Sino1 April 2019
Well, I was born during the 6th season run of Voyager, so I am far too young to become a trekkie, but I try to give the old series and DIS equal respect, and even the Abrams films.

Sometimes DIS as a prequel looks too advanced to be a 23rd century series. I excused that, because we are in 2019 not 2001(Enterprise) or 1966(TOS).

Sometimes DIS features something contradictory to canon. I excused that, because you cannot do a prequel completely without problems.

I believe that the DIS team still respect canon as a whole, and I generally get expected results. But this episode is completely a letdown.

Oh c'mon, so now we're having Super Leland? Is he T-3000 or what? He is not only super fast but also immune to all kinds of damage. Even the BORG can't do that! In ST:First Contact just a holographic machine gun phased a borg guy to hell! And that was late 24th century!

Yeah I know Control has its tricks, but not as good as THIS. First the Time Crystal, not we got the Terminator guy? Nanotechnology that turns flesh and bones straight to metal jelly? This is ridiculous! If 23rd century tech can be this good, why are 24th century people still worried about injuries? Just your Skynet Medi-gel will do!(No offense to you, Commander Shepard)

I forgot where, but I read an interview with Jonathan Frakes, our beloved number one. He said he wanted to make the scenes as flashy as possible, now that we have the money and tech. Yeah that's good, but can you please avoid showcasing CGI a bit too much to let them become canon-disrupting mess? I don't want to see Star Trek becoming a feast of CGI frontiers while a dummy at keeping respect toward its own franchise!

Yeah finally, to this episode. Good storyline, nice interaction between characters. As for the common "draggy" complaints, I want to say in defense of this show that if you want a good show, you should expect character development other than progressing the central plot. The emotions and thoughts of the characters should be paid attention to as well!

I am liking Mirror Georgiou more and more, for her inhibited humanity is coming to the surface, and Yeoh plays it quite well. Sonequa's performance is feeling more natural, less forced.

As for the Super Leland mess...Well, Kurtzman, I know your team is good at throwing mysteries and explaining them in later episodes, so YOU BETTER EXPLAIN IT!

Yeah, and please, tell me the time suit is built with future technology.
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5/10
Perpetual Infinity
Prismark1023 August 2019
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It would be nice if a character in Star Trek stayed dead. Here is an episode where we have Spock and Dr Culber. The viewer knows that both have or will return from the death.

Now add Gabrielle Burnham, Michael's mother who she thought for years was dead. She is the woman in the Red Angel suit. Gabrielle jumped too far into the future and saw Control destroying sentient life. In the various leaping she has done. Gabrielle has learnt that the information sphere needs to be destroyed to save all sentient life in the universe.

Control needs to evolve and has possessed Leland and wants access to the data from the sphere. The interesting part of the story is what looks like the origin of the Borg. The possessed Leland in many ways shows cyborg like abilities.

What is not so good are the emotional moments from the Vulcan raised Michael and her birth mother. Clunky writing when a melodramatic Michael puts the universe at risk so she can try to save her mother.
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10/10
Best episode
addywalcott29 March 2019
By far the best episode in a woefully disappointing season. I won't critique it, trust me, just watch it! It may have saved the season in my opinion.
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6/10
Perpetual Infinity
bobcobb30126 August 2019
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Spock on the landscape can only make the show better, but I have to question the casting a bit. It doesn't feel like they found the right man for the job.

Another okay episode, but given the lack of hype around the show, it needs to be better than this to start getting more attention.
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4/10
I'm Tired
Hitchcoc13 March 2020
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One of the requirements of any work of fiction is that you care about the characters. It doesn't mean you have to like them, but even bad guys get our attention. As I've driven my way through this series, even with all the tear jerking, I can't think of a single character that has grabbed my emotional attention. When Michael says goodbye to her mother, I thought--OK. Because the whole thing about her childhood has never captured me. She is whiney and tiresome and apparently the center of the universe. That's really too bad. It's too bad that some talented writers could have engaged the other characters in some way, instead of them standing on the periphery, like the cardboard cut-out of Mike Pence, standing behind Donald Trump. This needs to be about plot and continually bringing people back from the dead really is a cheap trick.
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Not so bor(g)ing.
Muromets29 March 2019
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It makes you wonder if this episode of Discovery showed a viewer how borg came into being. A.I. infecting humanoid with nanomachines and turning this humanoid into obedient vessel. Hell, maybe almost defeated Control will use a host body and a time-travelling-ant-man-suit (i bet it's not the last episode we saw it) to go back in time and will end up in Delta Quadrant few thousands years in the past.

Probably not, though.

p.s.

Spock has dyslexia now. He is probably also lactose intolerant.

*sigh*
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9/10
What I would not give to just talk for a few minutes...
rrtiverton29 October 2020
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This episode resonated with me on so many levels. I fully understand the emotions at play: I lost my mother at age 13 - over 45 years ago. I've often dreamed about having just a few moments to talk with her, as Michael got to have with her mother. It was a necessary plot device that appropriately moved the series forward, including a bridge to season 3.

Well done!
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7/10
Visually pleasing but unrealistic episode
pjgowtham2 April 2019
Burhnam's mother left her very long ago. Realistically, i would be okay with her reaction if her loved ones passed away recently. If i were her, I would stand there without crying, yet being curious as to how that happened with past memories flashing in. The show is either too dark or too white. The directors need to find the right grey area ( Which was most appreciated in DS9). I mean its not so hard to think of a situation in first person.
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8/10
Solid episode and great to see Sonja Sohn in Star Trek
snoozejonc25 March 2021
Control attempts to take possession of the data collected by the time travel mission log of the Red Angel.

This was a pretty strong episode with quite a lot going on between the emotional interactions by certain characters.

I enjoyed the sci-fi concepts more than anything and thought they were as good as anything I've encountered in the franchise, albeit they were new spins on familiar ideas such as time travel and artificial intelligence. Some reviews have suggested the plot thread regarding Leland might possibly be an origin story for a some famous Star Trek antagonists. This would be a cool idea if it's written in the right way.

All characters are good for majority of the episode, with mother and daughter Burnham having some of the more heartfelt moments. I know Burnham's emoting is a bugbear for lots of reviewers but considering the plot of this episode I think it's all justified. Leland, Georgiou, Pike, Spock and even Ash Tyler all have memorable moments.

This episode is pretty heavy on the technobabble, but it does contain some of the most interesting of the series so far. It is one that requires close attention to what is being said, because the plot is driven by the sci-fi concepts.

All performances are excellent, with Sonequa Martin-Green and Michell Yeoh on great form. An inspired piece of casting was Sonja Sohn as Gabrielle Burnham. A strong, but soulful presence is required for this part and she fits the bill perfectly.

For me it is a 7.5/10 but I round upwards.
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3/10
Star trek: Michael Burnham
marocrncevic14 November 2020
Why everyone and everything turns around Michael? How many alien spaces we met in this show? One or two?
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4/10
Full of fillers and lacking logical plot
juretherebel30 March 2019
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I liked where ST:D was going. I even liked season 2 better than 1. It gave promise to an interesting story. But lately there has been very little plot and character development. Most of this episodes were whiny dialogues. The plot of this episode is 10 minutes long at best. Going outside conventional Star Trek storytelling and usual themes isn't bad. What is bad is making up a story that they can't deliver.

So the premise of this episode was that they couldn't delete the data, but they could transfer it to the suit and keep it safe there. So for some reason deleting the data doesn't work, but CUT-PASTE does? But apparently they gave up on saving the data when they decided to send it into the future where AI won't find it. If they gave up on saving the data, couldn't they just fry the computer? Put the hard drive into the microwave or radiate the ship's computer? Eject the computer core and blast it with phasers?

Also, when AI augments a Section 31 officer they become Borg-like phaser-resistant and move with superspeed, yet Philippa slows them down in hand to hand combat. In a previous episode they completely missed the opportunity to beam Airiam out of that airlock and solve the situation that way just to get the dramatic door scene (yes they had a transporter lock on them like 5 minutes before that)

This kind of writing is offensive to viewers' intelligence and is destroying what could've been a well-made season.
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1/10
"I like science"
polite-4569211 April 2019
"I like science," said Spock. What is this?

More importantly, regarding Michael, how does being educated on Vulcan and trained in Starfleet lead to shouting, arguing, and crying all of the time?
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3/10
Poor understanding
DavePotter30 March 2019
Again we have a Starfleet officer who is overly emotional and can't make the right rational decisions. Frankly Michael should be stripped of title and thrown in the brig or kicked out of Starfleet entirely with her behavior. She goes down to talk to her mom, only to NOT discuss what she was supposed to and make it all about her drama and herself . Who cares about the rest of the sentient life in the galaxy.

Then we have one after another, the extended dramatic scenes during emergency situations. Let is discuss this a little more while we're in this emergency because I have feelings to address.😒

I'm trying really hard to like this at this point I would seriously doubt I'm going to be watching this for a third season. You're ruining something that really wasn't hard to follow and use, the number of extended shows from the original shows it's quite easy to get a following if you write well, and stick to the cannon. Disappointed to say the least. And anyone who isn't also disappointed is lowering their bar and/or doesn't understand what Star Trek and Starfleet actually it is.
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1/10
Perpetual Stupidity
primeadministrator3 April 2019
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First we're told that the DNA of the suit matches Burnam 100%, then mommy is piloting it, and now we've got Stamets contradicting that in this episode. This truly is Star Trek Discontinuity. The writing here is not even up to fanfiction standards at this point. While the effects are excellent, the writing is so badly done, and so A+ Bechdel Test that it has destroyed what could have been a great alternate universe of Star Trek. Really sad to see this happen. Not sure how much more I'm willing to watch since it isn't getting better, it's getting worse.
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2/10
I'll just leave this here ...
banegoa2 April 2019
Many drawbacks in this episode, but Sonequa Martin-Green's overacting (overplaying) is so cringy and hard to watch! I understand that it is in the script and that it is required from her. She's portraying a character which suffers emotional shocks, one after another. But, how, in the hell, is it possible that no one, in the production team, after watching the final product, jumps and yells: FFS, what is this load of c**p!?
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3/10
This show keeps getting dumber
DJ_Reticuli29 August 2019
Their idea of a paradox makes zero sense. We already had to put up with time crystals like this was Final Fantasy, and now they can't even come up with convincing ways to talk about time travel. Also, the lens flares are so bad now in season two that they often obscure the shots behind them SUBSTANTIALLY. Every episode is LOADED with crying and overacting. On and on. The people running this show need to be FIRED. Three stars because I actually do think they can make it even worse and probably will.
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1/10
Is that in any way vague ?
horst6931 March 2019
That's a line uttered in this episode . Maybe a cry for help by one of the writers .

Just when you think this show can't get any more random and ordinary , the creators surprise you and take it down another notch .
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