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Italian/Spanish Spaghetti/Paella WWII movie shot in Spain starred by Jack Palance as an avenger colonel who leads a group of convicts in France
ma-cortes26 July 2017
Action-filled movie set at end WWII , it follows the reckless adventures of a valiant platoon , some courageous soldiers during WWII in France to defuse underwater mines and to destroy a giant tank gun . Col. Charley MacPherson (Jack Palance) is angered at his superiors (John Stacy) for a suicide mission as he has just had his squadron of twenty-eight massacred by German troops commanded by Col. Ackerman (Wolfgang Preiss) ; as MacPherson seeks vengeance against him when the German troops slaughtered his last bunch . That's why the brave army colonel takes convicts on his next , on a dangerous mission to explode a German-built cannon before it's used against the Allied forces that could have changed the course of WWII ; these are the followings : Pvt. Sam Schrier (Helmuth Schneider) , Pvt. Tom Carlyle (Guido Lollobrigida as Lee Burton), Sgt. Karim Habinda (Aldo Sambrell) , Pvt. Frank Madigan (Bruno Corazzari) , Pvt. Albert Hank (Antonio Molino Rojo) , Pvt. Bernard Knowles (Lorenzo Robledo). Many of them are killed , but McPhearson insists on attempting to complete the commandos' mission.

Jack Palance as Irish Colonel Charlie McPhearson assumes the character of commando leader in this ordinary wartime movie regularly directed by Umberto Lenzi . Medium budget European war film that lost continuity with US cuts . This moving film packs frantic thrills , perilous adventures , relentless feats , and buck-loads of explosive action and violence . The noisy action is uniformly well-made , especially deserving of mention the rip-roaring final scenes in which the motley group is really besieged , including some spectacular shootouts and bombing . The first half of the film allows the colorful cast of character actors to have their fun as they get their tails whipped into shape and develop shaky relationship with their leader . The final part is all action , as the brave commando wreak havoc and then run for their lives . Apart from the values of team spirit , cudgeled by Palance into his misfit group , the film is full of feats , suspense , and thrills . Rough Jack Palance is leader of the motley pack together thwart the Nazi schemes , he gives an overacting and puts faces and grimaces . Palance dominates this adventure war with his hysterical performance as a merciless Colonel with only one thirst : to carry out the nail-biting as well as puzzling mission and his unforgivable vendetta . Palance played some wartime movies as ¨Halls of Montezuma¨, ¨Ten seconds to hell¨ , ¨A bullet for Rommel¨ and several exotic/historical characters in ¨The Silver Chalice¨, ¨Attila¨ , ¨Rosmunda and Alboino¨, ¨The horsemen¨ , ¨Barrabas¨, ¨The Mongols¨ , among others . Main cast is passable . As well as the largely secondary cast formed by a lot of Spanish/Italian secondaries , all of them ordinary from Pasta/Chorizo Western and Peplum , such as: Antonio Molino Rojo , Aldo Sambrell , Lorenzo Robledo , Luis Induni , Diana Lorys , Guillermo Méndez , Gerard Herter , Robert or Claudio Undari , Franco Fantasia , Guido Lollobrigida , Mirko Ellis , Helmuth Schneider and an American , Thomas Hunter ,as the fornicating explosives technician officer Burke .

This one belongs to a numerous group of Italian/Spanish WWII films , imitating American ones , usually directed by José Luis Merino , Leon Klimovsky , and Lenzi and including tarnishing Hollywood stars , such as ¨The legion of no return¨ with Tab Hunter , ¨Hell's brigade¨ with Jack Palance , ¨Command attack¨ with Michael Rennie . All of them supported by the Spanish Army that lent tanks , weapons , soldiers and extras to make these films . Atmospheric and functional musical score by Marcello Giombini , adding an attractive but repetitive leitmotif . Mediocre cinematography in Eastmancolor filmed by Alejandro Ulloa (Horror Express) , a perfect remastering is extremely necessary . Being filmed on location in Casa de Campo , Madrid , La Pedriza , Colmenar Viejo , Navacerrada mountains , Madrid , Spain . This is a wartime typical vehicle and into the ¨warlike commando sub-genre¨ , in USA style which also belong the American classics as : ¨Dirty Dozen (Robert Aldrich)¨ ,¨ Where eagles dare (Brian G. Hutton)¨ , ¨Kelly's heroes (Hutton)¨, ¨Tobruk (Arthur Hiller)¨ , ¨Devil's Brigade (Andrew V McLagen)¨ and many others.

This is a regularly conceived WWII with action filled , brief studio character , drama and exciting battles , but nothing special . Packs inaccurate details and an extremely talented though wasted cast make this one an acceptable Italian/Spanish production though failed . The film contains news-reel documentary , stock-shots vignettes and miniatures , however lost continuity with several cuts and zooms . The battle scenes were shot in La Pedriza , Manzanares Del Real , Navacerrada , Madrid where in the 60s and 70s were filmed lots of Westerns . The tale was middlingly directed by Umberto Lenzi , he often used the pseudonym Hank Milestone and Humphrey Logan . He's an expert on wartime genre such as he proved in ¨ Desert commandos¨ , ¨Battle of commandos¨, ¨From hell to victory¨, and ¨Bridge to hell¨.
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5/10
Jack Palance Vs. The Wermacht, Take One.
Steve_Nyland22 November 2006
I love these stupid, silly Italian Euro War movies. They were made for one reason and that was to sell tickets. Historical accuracy, plotting and didactic character development be damned, these were Spaghetti Westerns with tanks and machine guns instead of six-shooters and horses. The dialog and stories were interchangeable, hell they even used the same sets, stock casts of extras, musical composers and technical crews. It really doesn't matter what the story was about, how competent the acting & direction was, only that you could fit two of them on a double bill and have two more just like it in their place next weekend.

Others have already adequately described the plot. This one isn't any more remarkable or inept than any one of them, and is made distinguishable from the pack instead by who participated. The film was directed by veteran grindhouse pro Umberto Lenzi, written in part by his future modern Italian horror guru Dario Argento in addition to a pack of other writers who obviously managed to see THE DIRTY DOZEN & GUNS OF NAVARONE before concocting the potboiler story about an ornery Irish/American officer leading a misfit platoon of offbeat characters in a mission to impregnate another impregnable German fortress lest the allies lose the war, set a rousing musical score by personal favorite Marcello Giombini. If you switch your brain off you will be entertained.

The cast is a gem: Jack Palance earns more alimony money as the tough as nails Yankee commander with a personal grudge against his unit general that results in some priceless one-liners that if spoken by an actor of less than Palance's worldliness would sound absurd. Future Bond megalomaniac Curd Jürgens is well-cast as the somewhat unhinged Nazi Gruppenfuhrer who finds himself outclassed by a bunch of ex-con commandos -- all of them formidable veteran Spaghetti Western character actors: my hero Franco Fantasia, the always enjoyable Thomas Hunter, Claudio Undari, Bruno Corazzari, and the insane Aldo Sambrell. Legend would have it that Sambrell actually assumed his characters into his person, going so far as swinging by town after the shoot wrapped for a few drinks still clad in his costumes. Here he plays a Sikh knife fighting expert due to his somewhat swarthy complexion. He doesn't even really "act" the role, he lets it seep into his own character & just follows the stage direction.

So it's a film populated and made by legends or semi-legends, with the added bonus of Euro Horror siren Diana Lorys, since after all what good is an Italian genre film without some gorgeous woman to ogle. Jack Palance steals the show with a cockeyed performance highlighted by a half Irish accent that he probably fed with a solid half pint of booze during the course of an average day's shoot. Can't blame the guy for turning it into a good time, and it's fun to play "Spot the Location" during the film: Spaghetti fans will note a valley from GRAND DUEL, a ranch house from SEVEN GUNS FOR THE MACGREGORS (plus a couple other I can't think of offhand) and the same Tuscany seacoast featured in practically every one of these things. It is the familiarity with form that makes them so appealing, though it is kind of hard keeping track of which movie is which.

This is the one directed by Umberto Lenzi and starring Jack Palance. That's pretty much all you need to know about it, put away your history text books, pop some popcorn & enjoy.

5/10
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4/10
Below-average Italian War Film
SgtSlaughter7 November 2002
If you like low-budget Italian movies or war films, then this will be a real treat, even though it is probably one of the worst films I've ever seen – regardless of genre. This is unfortunate, because director Lenzi's first war effort, Desert Commando, showed marvelous potential.

The story focuses on a band of British ex-cons, who are recruited by Scottish Colonel MacPherson (Jack Palance) to clear a path for British commandos through a minefield off the Normandy coast on the night of June 4th, 1944. When the commando force is ambushed by a German PT Boat, MacPherson becomes obsessed with taking on their mission: destroy a huge railroad gun which threatens the imminent Allied landings, which happens to be commanded by his nemesis, Colonel Ackerman (Wolfgang Preiss), much to the dismay of his men.

Lenzi's second war film is, for all intents and purposes, a combination of three classic war movies: the indestructible artillery and impossible mission theme of The Guns of Navarone; the rivalry between Allied and Axis extremists, not to mention the central steam engine of The Train; and the now-familiar anti-hero characters of The Dirty Dozen. This is a fast-paced movie about a bunch of guys on the run, racing against the clock to complete their mission. The characters are never really fleshed out, but for a low-budget action film, they've got more dimensionality than we've come to expect.

Palance never makes a very convincing leader. At his best, he tries to be human, but always returns to being a tough bully. He's got a mission and will stop at nothing to accomplish it, even though it means the death of just about everyone under his command. On one hand, he has a responsibility to save Allied lives by destroying the railroad gun, but his real goal is always, clearly, personal prejudice, and it's not admirable.

What's more admirable are the attitudes of his men: Guido Lollobrigida (Commando Attack) is one of the ex-cons, who realizes the error of his ways and is now willing to fight because his duty is to his country. Helmut Schneider is excellent in a very under-developed part of a humanitarian, who can't agree with MacPherson but goes along because he's a concentration camp survivor and wants vengeance. Thomas Hunter is fun to watch as an American captain who got conned into the mission because of his specialty in demolitions. At first, he's a coward who wants to be back at a desk job chasing girls, but proves his courage under fire more than once. Roberto Undari and Bruno Corazzari are the rebels of the group, who are constantly bickering with MacPherson, but always stick with him because they know he is their only chance for surviving behind enemy territory. That's where the depth hits rock bottom. Every time men threaten to abandon the mission, MacPherson simply yells and threatens to shoot them, and the discussion is over. There's not much moral drama to be explored, and once the point is made, it's dropped and Lenzi moves on to more important things.

Don't let me mislead you – this is an action movie and is not meant to be anything more, but substance and character are necessary to make the action have an impact. On the action level alone, Lenzi fails miserably – though not as badly as he would years later in the infamous "Bridge to Hell". Working with a low budget this time around, Lenzi and his production crew obviously couldn't afford much in the way of pyrotechnics or extras, and as director, Lenzi tries to cover this up – and doesn't do a very good job. The many combat scenes consist of skirmishes between small bands of men, a dozen or so at the most, and consist mainly of quick zoom-ins, frequent cutting and rapid shift of focus. This is often confusing and dizzying, and makes the action move far too quickly. It's too much information thrown out too fast, and looks pretty pathetic on top of that.

The limits of the budget are also obvious in the sets. There are not many interiors, and when we do go inside a house or German office building, they're shabbily furnished. Lenzi keeps his focus on the actors so that you don't notice right away that their surroundings don't look too convincing. Many exteriors - particularly near the end of the picture – are set in southern France, but were obviously shot in Spain. Instead of forests or lush fields, we see desolate sand mounds and bare, rocky hills all over the place. As far as costumes and props go, Lenzi also fails to make his movie look authentic. Most of the Germans wear uniforms of artillery troops, often with ill-fitting jackets or helmets. They are armed primarily with Beretta submachine guns, a weapon developed by the Italians. Finally, miniature work is below-par, too, but fortunately this flaw is limited to a single shot during the climax.

On the plus side, Armando Travajoli provides an energetic score which adds to the tension and fast pace. This film is always moving, and there is never a wasted moment: every action, every line, every glance contributes to the story. That is the glue holding this mess together. Lenzi does manage to execute the finale quite well, too. The German train yard looks quite bustling and official, and the battle between the Allied commandos and German soldiers on the train is tense and nail-biting. It's a pity that Lenzi has to ruin this victorious spirit by throwing in a muddled anti-war statement for the film's conclusion.

This is a satisfying action yarn, but offers little besides some enjoyable, pulpy 90 minutes of pure adventure. Despite poor execution, the familiar supporting cast of Italian and German character-actors offers some good turns and provide enough energy to keep the film moving through the final scenes.
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4/10
Underwhelming but watchable
TheLittleSongbird20 June 2015
After seeing Attack, a great film featuring one of Jack Palance's best performances, war films and Palance seemed like an ideal combination. Legion of the Damned(aka Battle of the Commandos) disappoints however, there are some good things but it underwhelms on the whole due to budget limitations and careless directing.

Legion of the Damned's best components are the music score and the acting. The music is very rousing, and gives the film the tension and excitement that it is lacking in otherwise. The cast is a good one and they give credible performances, with Jack Palance being animated and grippingly hard-nosed(if a little too brutish for a leader), Thomas Hunter clearly having fun, Helmet Schneider heartfelt, Guido Lollobrigida charmingly roguish and Wolfgang Preiss authoritative. The film is not too badly paced, it certainly doesn't drag but it does at times feel rushed especially in the action, there are some great one-liners from McPherson and the conclusion is intense and moving.

It is a shame though that it is badly let down by the production values and the direction. The photography never rises above that for a low-budget late-60s-early-70s TV series(which I am not sure was not the look that was intended), the sets are sparse and dreary with even drearier lighting and the editing is very confused and so constantly rapid it's enough to make one dizzy. In all three cases, it is especially bad in the action. The same can be said with the direction too, which throughout is incredibly careless and the film fails to achieve momentum and suspense in the action outside of the conclusion due to the bad editing and the frantic pacing. The script has its moments definitely with some nice one-liners and makes some good points, but has an abruptly jumping about to the next point without developing everything feel and a lot of melodramatic talk that doesn't develop the characters enough. The anti-war statement intended well but came over as tacked on and muddled.

The characters are generally very one-dimensional, especially McPherson, with some even floating in and out of the story and action, and the story while not dull in pacing could have had more tension, suspense and excitement(which is why it underwhelms as a war film, and a higher budget, a slightly longer length and if the film on occasions had slowed down a tad would have helped) and could have been less jumpy and episodic.

Overall, underwhelming but watchable. 4/10 Bethany Cox
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5/10
where do I start,Scottish in nor Irish.not a good film.
ib011f9545i23 December 2018
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I have seen only a few of these Italian war films. I like From Hell to Victory and Eagles Over London. But this film is a lot less enjoyable than the 2 mentioned.

Some of the reviews say Palance plays an Irish officer,but he is Scottish which in not the same thing at all. I am Scottish,his accent i a bit like the janitor from the Simpsons. The film is dubbed into english but still the accents are poor

The film features Spanish small arms instead of Sten guns or Thompsons,it features 1950s American tanks instead of period German tanks.

On a positive note some of the action scenes are good,they have a nice big railway gun,wonder if it was real,it looks real/
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2/10
Palance accent
nickharvey-2839117 January 2020
Irish? Sounds like Scottish manx to me. Typical 60s comic type war movie.
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6/10
Generic Sixties Italian War Film - still okay though
Bezenby15 July 2017
As much as I love Italian cinema I'm not much for these sixties war films - every single one of them is a rip-off of The Dirty Dozen, but when I spotted Aldo Sambrell wearing a turban my index finger jabbed the record button on the remote so hard I'm sure I broke a bone.

As well as an Italian imitating an Indian, we have Jack Palance sporting some sort of Scottish accent (it's says on the IMDb that it's Irish? That's even worse) and some terrible miniature effects, but the usual story of a bunch of Allied misfits sent behind enemy lines to do something or other is so dreary it still manages to end up being a boring experience.

Jack is Colonel Haggis McKiltguy, raging in a really bad way about his last mission, where his entire platoon got wasted. He's all out to give up on all this army business, until he learns that his opposite number in the mission is the German guy in command of that last mission, Major Bratwurst Von Laderhosen. He signs up for the mission pretty shortly after that! However, he needs a new platoon - how about that bunch of jerks acting like jerks in the jerk squad. You know, all them criminals? That doesn't sound like the Dirty Dozen at all!

So Jack and his bunch of Italian and German actors pretending to be British (except the guy pretending to be Indian) head of to Normandy to do some stuff that'll help the D-Day invasion. You've also got a sub plot about the German guy not being so bad, trying to warn his command about the invasion and going head-to-head with the SS, but who cares? It's the usual barrage of sneaking, knifing, wearing the enemie's uniforms, possible double crossing (hinted at then forgotten), paper thin romance, and confrontation that you get in these films.

There were some laughs to be had from the miniature work at the end (I rewound to see that tiny dummy flying out of the train carriage) and was tickled pink as the last scene seemed to show Jack throwing his gun away and giving up the life of a soldier, then seemingly remembering that he can't actually leave the army that way and picking his gun up again.

I'm sick of these Umberto Lenzi films! Give me an Umberto Lenzi film!
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4/10
Liked the last rewiew
pmlewis-13 December 2017
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I love Jack Palance, I love Italian movies. Only I don't love when someone has to talk in an accent. Irish, Scottish, Hebredian, Welsh, Gaelic who knows the difference. Who cares especially when it is not relevant to the plot. Remember, contrary to popular preconditioned view, because of that stupid song "It's the singer not the song". It is the story that counts. It is the song and not the singer.
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3/10
Decent writing bails out spaghetti war flick
paul_johnr12 September 2006
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'La Legione dei dannati' AKA 'Battle of the Commandos' and 'Legion of the Damned' is one of numerous Second World War films to emerge from Italy during the late 1960s. As the spaghetti western lost vitality, producers financed movies with cowboy themes set in wartime Europe and often made use of locations previously filled by desperadoes and stagecoaches. Exploitationist Umberto Lenzi was one director who jumped on the bandwagon, first making 'Desert Commandos' in 1967. In 1969 came his second war film, this low-budget affair produced by Bruno Bolognesi and Ignacio Gutierrez.

American character actor Jack Palance leads a potboiler that grifts material from several big-budget films, most noticeably 'The Dirty Dozen' and 'The Guns of Navaronne.' Palance stars as Colonel Charley MacPherson, a Scottish commando leader who has returned to Britain after witnessing the deaths of his entire unit in a North African tactical mission. While irate over the handling of his men by British generals, MacPherson is talked into leading a raid off the Normandy coast to destroy mines for incoming D-Day soldiers. It so happens that the coastal area is watched over by Colonel Ackerman (Wolfgang Preiss), whose German unit wiped out MacPherson's on the desert sands.

With his entire team dead, MacPherson is allowed to choose six men needed for the mission. Readily at hand are four insubordinates (à la 'The Dirty Dozen') whom the colonel pulls out of their jail cell. Also tagging along are Captain Burke (Thomas Hunter), an American explosives 'expert,' and Sergeant Habinda (Aldo Sambrell), MacPherson's loyal Indian aide who was the only other person to survive North Africa. The men get their job done, but end up stranded on the coast after a trailing band of commandos is gunned down. Thirsty for revenge against Ackerman, MacPherson forces his unwilling crew to reach the next objective, the destruction of a giant howitzer for use during allied invasions.

'Battle of the Commandos' is considerably better-plotted than Lenzi's other war films, including his 1978 stinker 'The Greatest Battle,' which recycles a great deal of footage used here. The script by a seven-man team that included emerging Dario Argento gives somewhat more weight to character study, although there is little development and each person sings mostly one tune for the entire film. Enough balance is achieved between dialogue and the action scenes to make this film watchable, since the fighting consists only of close-range shootouts between MacPherson's unit and small bands of the German army. These cheaply-budgeted action sets make repeated use of the same extras and props, with poor coordination to boot.

Palance's open-mouthed chutzpah is not enough to carry this film, although his gritty presence is felt at times. Wolfgang Preiss ('A Bridge Too Far') is the better lead as a rational German officer slowly watching his country fall to pieces. Thomas Hunter effectively plays his role as a youthful American who is dependable but would rather be somewhere else. Helmuth Schneider has good moments as Private Schrier, a concentration camp escapee who wouldn't mind getting back at the Nazis. Guido Lollobrigida plays a rogue who changes his ways, while Claudio Undari and Bruno Corazzari leave MacPherson only to head back after realizing their chances of escaping German territory. As usual for Lenzi's war films, there are too many people floating through the story, including several members of the French Resistance and a female hostage (Diana Lorys) used to leak information.

While the script and acting are decent, this movie is hurt by Lenzi's bizarre and often careless directing. The action scenes are hysterically paced and have little or no continuity. Soldiers and gunfire seem to pop out of nowhere and camera angles change on a whim, disorienting the viewer. Lenzi also makes us reach for an aspirin with drastic zooms, close-ups, and dolly swings even more overdone than in films by Michael Winner. The editing by Giese Rohm and uncredited Stanley Frazen is awful throughout. Rohm is (unsurprisingly) not credited for any other film, while Frazen managed to edit the 'Kojak' TV series and 'Friday Foster' during the 1970s. The cinematography by Alejandro Ulloa is nothing to write home about. One pleasant surprise is the music by Marcello Giombini, in a military style that reminds one of Shostakovich.

Known through most of the 1970s for his gialli, Lenzi's efforts in the war genre actually became worse. Footage from 'Battle of the Commandos' was reused in 'The Greatest Battle,' a film with top-shelf actors and limited craftsmanship. By the mid-1980s, Lenzi was out of second chances and had beaten it to Yugoslavia, turning out direct-to-video junk like 'Wartime' and 'Bridge to Hell.' It is quite ironic that Dario Argento, who co-wrote this film, went on to bigger and better things while Lenzi never exceeded this level.

'Battle of the Commandos' is not an easy film to purchase, since it has never been released as a DVD and is rarely available in VHS format. Republic Pictures Home Video distributed a cassette version in the mid-80s, one of the worst VHS presentations that I have ever seen. Besides the horrendous print quality, this version appears to be a straight transfer with little (if any) pan and scan; actors are cropped off the screen entirely, often while speaking. This makes the action scenes an even harder watch and ruins a touching moment at the film's conclusion. The print looks as if discovered in someone's attic, with faint colors, endless grain, and severe artifacts. 'Battle of the Commandos' would certainly look better in a restored widescreen presentation, although looks alone could never make this film 'good.'

* ½ out of 4
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2/10
Stupefyingly bad European botched job co-production from beginning to end
rayxt26 September 2016
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Jack Palance plays a British colonel - and is dubbed as such. From then on it is downhill all the way. Weaponry of all sorts completely wrong for the story period. American APCs !! The actual target - a huge rail gun shown firing is patently absurd while the SFX used for its demolition are so crushingly amateurish to insult the intelligence.

So sad to see a cast of actors capable of achieving masterpieces when given scripts and production values to match their talents, have had to stoop to such a level to earn a living.

This European co-production is a perfect example of how a film was ruined by the necessity to finance it following the constraints of percentage co-production budgets. Jack Palance had to be cast in the lead to ensure US / international distributor interest. All the various nationality European cast then fitted in to fulfill the budget percentage requirements for talent.
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4/10
McWhat? McReally?
neil-47610 November 2019
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This spaghetti war movie is colourful and action packed..

It is headed by Jack Palance, and I read that he is supposed to be Irish. Well, you could have fooled me. He, like everyone else, is dubbed and, in his case, they have gone for a light Scottish accent - it sounds very like Gordon Jackson.

Given that Palance's natural voice sounds like iron mating with gravel, I found it profoundly distracting.
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4/10
Standard WW2 men-on-a-mission film, let down by poor presentation
Leofwine_draca18 January 2017
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I saw this WW2 movie under the title LEGION OF THE DAMNED and was more an a little disappointed with the quality given the pedigree of the cast members and especially director Umberto Lenzi, a man who more often than not made films that were pure entertainment. This one feels just too low budget and too tired to succeed, and the cast of misfit characters (clearly modelled on THE DIRTY DOZEN) are just too unlikeable for the viewer to truly enjoy their presence.

The cast is headlined by the great Jack Palance, but the bad news is that he's been dubbed by a Scottish guy with a completely ridiculous, over the top, and stilted accent, which means that you just can't take him seriously at any point in the film. His men are an entirely undistinguished group apart from Aldo Sambrell's Indian fighter who is an unusual and welcome addition. Wolfgang Preiss and Curd Jurgens play the Nazi officials and really both roles are a walk in the park for the actors.

The story does feature plenty of action which is in the film's favour, but unfortunately it's not very well shot and it is very cheap-looking too. It's only at the climax that things get really exciting with some stand-out moments that come close to iconic, but otherwise this is par for the course, let down by the presentation which really could have been better.
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