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7/10
I've seen nets with fewer holes than the plot of this season
darrylinnes-305418 January 2021
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I didn't mind this episode. Not as bad as the rating suggests but the plot holes in this season show just how poor the writing has been. Where is the vast space behind the turbo lift? The ship is supposed to be only 400m long. How did she get to the nacelles when it specifically said in an earlier episode that they are now detached? How did Osyraa take over the ship when there are command lockouts? Just poor. Hire new writers and give us a season 4 we deserve.
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6/10
Okay finale, but for me there are noticeable problems
snoozejonc9 May 2021
Conclusion to what felt like a trilogy of stories about the origin of the burn and the conflict with the Emerald Chain.

I found this to be a fairly mediocre episode.

Firstly the positives are that it is quite entertaining and contains a number of decent character moments. The pace is strong and it manages three plot threads well. Characters like Burnham, Saru, Culiber, Adira, Tilly and even Owosekun get decent moments to shine. However, what was promised as a fairly interesting political conflict in the previous episodes degenerates into a pretty bland 'goody shoots baddy' showdown.

It is very focussed around Michael Burnham saving the day and that will annoy numerous trolls (which is a bonus), however she is the central character and her arc has always been leading to what happens. No huge complaints from me with how it unfolds in this episode, but some of the writing is ridiculous in depicting her with almost superhero like physical prowess, particularly during the rather silly turbolift scene. Also looking at her character development over the course of the show there is very little growth leading to her big moment. In fact everyone else seems to have developed around her so they can realise she was right for being a maverick all along.

Speaking of writing, this episode suffers from some of the classic, clunky, Discovery exposition dialogue that sucks the life out of a few scenes by having characters over-explain what's about to happen to the audience.

I struggled with aspects of the crew suffocation story. Not because it was badly done. On the contrary it was great to see Owosekun having something cool to do. However, threatening to kill a number of regular characters does not generate any real tension because we know what the outcome will be.

I think my favourite aspect, at this stage of the overall narrative, is the story involving the Kelpian. Although the cause of the Burn is a big letdown, the concept of this character existing inside a hollow world created by his parents is excellent. The contribution of Saru, Culiber, Adira and Gray is memorable.

Visually, it is hit and miss. Some of the action sequences were strong, but transitions using the camera rotations made me feel sick on a number of occasions.

All performances are solid with no real weak links. Doug Jones and Sonequa Martin-Green stand out for me.
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7/10
Star trekking across the Universe
bizlats8 January 2021
Not sure why there is so much hate for this show ? It's no different from any of the previous Star Trek shows Discovery has it's main character it's likeable character and it's annoying character. The biggest plot hole if anyone wants a moaning session is that this Star Trek is supposed to be set before Captain Kirk & Co. so how come the ships look so much better ? Overall not the worst show in the World but it will not please all the Trekkies but I often wonder what would.
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9/10
Why so much hatred?
robert-kroess8 January 2021
It was a great season finale - I just don't get the hatred here all over!

To all the whiners: Go and watch TOS until the very end and stop watching this show if you hate it so much!
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9/10
Good ending to brilliant season
fingerlessgloves8 January 2021
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I've been watching this as a trekkie fan, this episode ended season 3 quite well, the end result was explained clear enough about how the child caused the burn, due to being born on a planet surrounded with dilithium radiation causing his cells to mutate, is more than believe-able... its sci-fi so there is completely plausable. Now why the planet didn't explode when the burn happened, would be that the dilithium on the ships was processed or something long those lines so its not exactly raw as it is on the planet, if that makes sense. They didn't explain that could be the reason, but then do you really want them to get in to processing radioactive materials on this show... I don't really, but they could of said processed dilithium was only effected by the burn, which would of solved this little niggle.

People who put down how the ship was captured, but if they didn't know the ship was coming and the shield were down, its easy enough for them to decloak and beam across to their ship. Plus they were using Star Fleet codes(?) to make them look like Star Fleet were on the way but turned out to be the Chain. So I don't think its a plot whole really. Not the first time a ST Ship has been taken over this quick or completely disabled.

As for Star Fleet firing on Discovery, its kind of a little plot hole but discovery looked to be one of star fleets largest ships and it was retro fitted with new tech so its believable some what. I'm also guessing they were being careful what they were shooting at on the ship as you wouldn't want the warp core to explode as it would take out head command at the same time.

I'm not 100% a fan of MB, but I think Admiral realising the ways of past isn't what Star Fleet needs right now and that how MB wanted to go about getting a job done, is how Star Fleet needs to be until they regain the control they once had. How many times in ST series or movies has the captain gone against Star Fleet orders and gotten a better result? This is really nothing new. So I think the ending of MB becoming Captain was quite fitting, as much as I would love Tilly to be captain, I think she plays the Terran captain really, she got the acting skills for it but her character in Star Fleet, hasn't had the development yet. I reckon she'll be her number 1 and we'll see her become the strong person we saw in Terran universe.

All in all, Season 3 is really good season, I would recommend it to friends to watch who like Sci-Fi. I may ask them to just skip Season 1/2 and just jump to season 3 and start 900 years later instead, as the first 2 seasons feels like its finding itself and season 3 its found where belongs. Can't wait for season 4 and how they will help Star Fleet rebuild.

Solid 9/10 for this episode Season is good 8/10
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7/10
Finally settling into something better
vwvoyager8 January 2021
I wasn't a fan of the first couple of seasons, which were all over the place and lacked focus. Good to see Discovery is finally finding some direction, liking the storyline so much better. It may not be the Trek I really want, but at least it has improved so much more this season
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5/10
Top-notch CGI budget
isabellacheng8 January 2021
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... but couldn't afford a decent writer.

  • A lot of crying. Not one scene, not two, but throughout the episode.


  • What was the point of proposing a peace deal again? Discovery wasn't a trojan, Osyraa was genuine in proposing a peace deal! And yet...
  • The Sphere Data could be downloaded into a droid... give me a break.


  • A bad chromosome separation gave the child an X-men gene that could influence subspace to cause all dilithiums in the galaxy to explode. Yeah right. Not even Galactus has that level of power.


  • His mother died. Of course that's what decimated all galactic civilisations for a hundred years.


  • Kelpian ship was falling apart, and the crew just stood there waiting for Discovery, instead of doing stuff like... boost structural integrity maybe?


  • Infinite shields for Discovery. Every 32nd century Star Fleet ship fired at Discovery, for minutes, and her shield held. Bloody amazing.


  • Osyraa prefers toying with her captives than promptly killing them, like all good villains do. Of course they escaped, multiple times!


  • As someone pointed out before, the interior of Discovery is as large as... Coruscant. Ridiculous amount of space!


  • Turbo lift shaft has artificial gravity (because people can fall "down"), but the turbo lift itself is suspended in space. Yet there is gravity inside the lift. Calculate the energy waste.


  • The coils in each turbo lift shaft is materialised/dematerialised as needed. Calculate energy waste.


  • Bridge crew's sacrifice was pointless. All it did was to give a wiggle that allowed Burnham to beat Osyraa.


  • It was hilarious to depict Owo leaving the crew to die, to complete her mission. But in fact, she was the one going on a "suicide" mission while the crew "went to sleep".


  • There was a ton of foreshadowing, for that one camera pan, to show Saru returning to Kelpian form. But the plot twist that Book could communicate with spores? Nah. The entire escape was based on a hunch. A hunch that Book could get Discovery to jump, for the first time, given 30 seconds.


  • The length of the warp core ejection tube... and why would the core be scratching the wall!?


  • Warp core probably exploded before Discovery started "spinning".


  • By now you should know who saved the whole galaxy, again.


  • And you-know-who was made Captain.


My god.
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10/10
Three Seasons to Finally "Boldy Go..."
fightingmink-297-2668027 January 2021
Most of the reviews missed the entire plot for this season, or entire series. While most series establishes a premise for the how a show will go in a few episodes, it took Discovery 3 seasons. It's a launch of new "discoveries." I admit, I was impatient. I was bothered by seeing this is very different than all the other Star Treks. But it wasn't. It took time, heck it took over 700 hundred years, to finally establish its intent to discover.
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7/10
Season Three Review
southdavid13 January 2021
Following the seismic change the show made at the end of the second season, "Star Trek Discovery" leaps away from trying to interweave itself into existing lore and instead sets its own path for the future of the storyline.

Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) arrives 900 years in the future saving the universe from the danger of the artificial intelligence that threatened all organic life. Though Discovery was in hot pursuit through the wormhole, they are unfortunately nowhere to be seen. Isolated, but on a planet with a breathable atmosphere Michael meets Booker (David Ajala) an empath and smuggler, who introduces her to the future and in particular the shattered, disparate remains of the Federation.

I enjoyed this season of Discovery overall. If the second season was a little more focused on one story, that of the mysterious angel, the third season is a little more traditional in its one- or two-part stories serving the bigger narrative. There are plot through points, such as restoring the Federation to some semblance of its former glory, the battles with the Emerald Chain and investigating what caused 'the burn'. Despite the movement years into the future giving them access to newer sleeker technology, there are some nods to the wider universe still. There is acknowledgement of the Kelvin timeline, the guardian of tomorrow makes an appearance and a version of Voyager is one of the few remaining Federation ships.

One consequence of the slightly more traditional structure is that the finale feels a little underwhelming, the resolution of the "burn" storyline is disappointing and the very last moments don't particularly ring true (to say more would be spoilers, but it feels a little bit underearned, given what's happened previously, even a couple of episodes previously). We lose a few characters across the run, particularly hard to take is Michelle Yeoh (presumably) leaving permanently this time. Blu Del Barrio joins and is given a fair bit of storyline for their character Adira, the first Trill host in the series for a while. Oded Fehr is welcome as Admiral Vance and most randomly David Cronenberg joins as Federation investigator Kovich.

The finale is poor, no arguments here, but the season as a whole wasn't as bad, in my eyes, as some the reviews here would have it. I would like a bit more science, in my science fiction going forward, but regardless I'll be back for season four.
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1/10
Absolutely idiotic just terminate the show and bury it deep into the Delta Quadrant
rallierf19 January 2021
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Aside from the horrible acting and the air punching action the decisions of the crew are absolutely stupid and made no sense whatsoever. What should I pick on? Well there were a myriad of bad decisions that was stupid AF but I will pick on two both from commander Burnham.

1. When they hid on top of the turbolift the controllers said on the radio: Negative we cannot find them and were ready to abandon pursuit. Then Burnham killed one of them while there are dozens more waiting for them and somehow hoping to survive through this. Totally unrealistic you just can't go against an elite taskforce while they overwhelm you in positioning, numbers, equipment and communication. Just stay hidden and wait for them to leave or at least leave a couple of guard.

2. Why eject the core and risk everything when you already have a potential escape route in the form of the mycelium network. Just jump and escape, there is no need to destroy the other ship especially at that kind of risk. Utterly stupid.

Then there's the explanation of the burn... oh come on that burned all of our brain cells, that structure held for 150 years give or take and decided to collapse the moment they safely transported into the discovery : I puked in my mouth:

Let's fly? seriously? FFS
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10/10
This is a new era and I'm loving it.
weraqs7 January 2021
We're literally living in a new era and this is the new Star Trek and I'm loving it!

The representation of the future and the characters are amazing and colorful. Even though some of them didn't get the screen time they deserved, you can fit their personality to the story very well. 2020 was a really bad year, it is not the worst, we're still suffering through it's impact but friendship & teamwork is what we need and we 'dream'.

Season 3 of Star Trek Discovery is by far the best Star Trek season I've ever watched. There are some other critics complaining about over using CGI and sorts but, have you ever thought that they are all closed up in an hangar, in the middle of somewhere, without any physical contact to their families during this pandemic?

Just take a step back and "feel". Try to turn off your brain for a while. This is not a documentary or a fact show, it is a Science Fiction. Enjoy it. Give the credit to the actors and all of the people taking part in the show.

We do not need negativity. We had enough of it in 2020.

Be Safe & Stay Healthy.
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6/10
Good season, just too much crying
derekanhorn-8408025 June 2022
I liked this season, except Burnham cried way too much. Now that she's Captain, I hope she doesn't get so emotional. I haven't watched season four yet, I hope Saru comes back, he's my favorite character.
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2/10
Remember when it was fun to watch Star Trek?
kmelton-935-45712615 January 2021
I'm not sure what went wrong with this show, but everything is just so heavy and emotional. There's no humor, there's no science, or wide-eyed optimism about the future. It's all just overly dramatic monologues and endless emotional scenes. It's like every episode now is, "a very special episode." It all just starts to feel like a bad soap opera. When every scene is a emotional scene they begin to fall flat.
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Worst season of the worst Star Trek
butcherbob7 January 2021
The "action" in this episode was so contrived and predicable. It feels like it was written by 10-year-olds. And the way everything has to be so emotional makes the show embarrassing to watch.

Seasons 1 and 2 of "Star Trek:Burnham" were bad but season 3 elevates this show to being pure garbage.
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9/10
Great end to the season
lannasun8 January 2021
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Loved disco and this has been the best season yet. Great way to end and so pleased it didnt and on a cliff hanger. Keep up the great work and cant wait for season 4!
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8/10
A good episode with a few niggles
santabj7 January 2021
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Despite the review bombing of this episode by the more reactionary elements of the viewership, this was a pretty good episode of Star Trek. It balances and converges its plot lines well, though they might have done better rethinking the... let's call it the explosive escape part, to avoid spoiling too much.

The cause of the Burn works perfectly well within Star Trek technobabble lore, and its connection to the overarching narrative (as summed up in the final voiceover monologue by Burnham) makes it a good fit, narratively. However, I still would have preferred the cause to be something more grounded in canon / lore, e.g. something related to the subspace damage caused by warp travel (as established in TNG's "Force of Nature" and also treated in e.g. VOY's "Renaissance Man"). Though again, a wish does not a criticism make, and their chosen cause makes sense within the story they want to tell.

I have seen some criticism of the action sequences, but those honestly makes me think these people have never seen a Star Trek action sequence. Or maybe they have and were disappointed with the lack of two handed punches. I'll grant that the space battles seemed more than a tad less exciting than they probably should have been, given the number of ships and amount of firepower involved, but that doesn't really add up to much.

Good episode.
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7/10
Certainly an action packed finale
micjammusic9 January 2021
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I'll cut straight to the point: I hope that when season 4 lands, the usual haters will seek alternate viewing, because it appears no matter how good (or bad) an episode of ST:D is, they will never be satisfied. (Soapbox rant over)

I enjoyed the action in this episode..something that has been sadly lacking. I am not sure that it was a wise move to promote Burnham to captain, but after three seasons, it seemed inevitable. I just hope making her a starship captain prompts her to be more vocal, less whispery and ends the waterworks. I never thought of Saru as being captain material and I have a funny feeling that in season 4 we will see less and less of him.

It's funny, but I've enjoyed ST:D, but over the last 3/4 years of watching the all Star Trek series on Netflix, I find myself constantly cycling through TOS, TNG, VOY and DS9 but not ST:D. I've just purchased season 1 of ST:Picard and I've got a feeling that I'll be watching it over and over....but not ST:D
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3/10
Season 3: Still Doesn't Know The Type Of Show It Wants To Be
zkonedog13 January 2021
In large part, the entirety of Star Trek: Discovery has been received negatively. I can't argue with such logic. What I can say, however, is that Discovery isn't a bad show simply by definition. It tries to live up to its Trek legacy, but just continually falls short. The biggest reason for this? After three seasons, Discovery still has no idea of the type of show it wants to be.

The first season of Discovery (my favorite by a wide margin thus far) tries to be an edgy drama, blending Kurtzman-style Trek with a hard edge ("Star Trek with swears and violent content") while showing it has a solid grasp on franchise history.

The second season dials down the shock-and-awe factor and tries to tell one coherent narrative, while also making the momentous decision to include a hardcore canon character in Young Spock.

This third season, the show pivots again, flinging Discovery far into the future and opening up endless possibilities of storytelling. Instead of really exploring them, however, it changes into a feel-good, almost family show that one might find generically running on a network for a few seasons.

I would argue that any one of those approaches (gritty, canon-centric, feel-good) could work for modern-day Trek, and sometimes do in this series. But overall, the problem is that the entire bedrock seems to change with each fresh slate of episodes, so the show can never settle into any kind of groove.

For example: this third season, the focus on social issues and feel-good premises is such a 180-shift from what, say, the first season was. To be honest, it sometimes felt like I was watching a completely different show. The major failing is that such a tone severely undercuts what could have been some very interesting story avenues (re-connecting with Starfleet, Michael's questioning of that institution, The Burn, and just the future of the Trek universe in general). All those morsels are introduced, but ultimately left to die on the vine as the show concocts scene after scene of saccharine (sometimes ridiculously so) "emotional" moments that are not earned whatsoever.

The two things Discovery still has going for it:

1. By skill or luck, it has assembled an interesting ensemble cast. It only barely utilizes them correctly, but their stories are juuuuuust compelling enough to elicit emotion. 2. As previously mentioned, the show-runners really know how to emotionally manipulate the audience in certain aspects. They fully realize that Star Trek is about ideals, at its core, and do just enough to keep that through-line. It certainly doesn't hurt that they can bust out Trek musical themes at will.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that barring some miraculous turnaround, Discovery peaked for me in Season One. If this were quite literally any other series, I'd ditch it and probably never look back. Confoundedly, though, I'm a Trekkie at heart and am continuously pulled back in simply to "see what might be next". But at this point, my long Trek history is the only thing keeping me engaged.
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10/10
Great last series 3 episode
paama-860417 January 2021
Ive been a treky fan all my life and ive much enjoyed ,discovery the original star trek music at end of episide brought tears to my eyes : long may this series continue
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6/10
Not a great end to a season
jamiekressinger9 January 2021
Simple. It isn't one star. So please don't be stupid. It is by no way ten. So stop being equally as stupid. Compared to the final two seasons finales, this was no way close.

It's still a great show but it failed to deliver what it had done previously.

Maybe concentrate on the stories rather than keeping the PC brigade happy.
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5/10
I wish ST would go back to Science and Exploration
wildernessfamily-379228 January 2021
I miss STNG and STV where it was science, exploration, and 26 episodes per season. The good ole days. And really the burns cause is....what is this Charmed??? Just awful!
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9/10
Great last episode
myxqfnp8 January 2021
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So it tied up the season admirably 1) we find out what caused the burn, a child's loss of his mother, combined with DNA of Dilithium and a scream that destroys 2) Burnham becoming Captain, Saru having a family again 3) new characters as part of the crew 4) sets up season 4
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6/10
Cross between a bad movie and a poor episode
skeatesyboy13 January 2021
This episode concludes season 3 which has had two plot lines: the burn and the emerald chain. Both plots struggle on their own in the vastness of this unexplored and untethered future. So it's little wonder that when these two plots conclude in the same episode the result is somewhat unsatisfying.

The Burn conclusion feels like a skip me episode from TNG's past. While the Emerald Chain finale is more like something from TNG movie - and not a good one.

Once again the focus is on Michael Burnham to save the day and no matter what she does (disobey orders, betray people, lie, kill, steal) she is in the 'right".

This season has been the poorest of the 3 so far. It has felt very lost in the vastness of an unknown future and with too much changed from what we know of the 23rd / 24th century its difficult to get into or even care.
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1/10
Fiction in Space - a terrible ending
jeroen-1069 January 2021
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My oh my, another terrible episode. Seeing Michael Burnham make a nonsensical risky dive from a turbo lift without taking any precautions falling over 100 feet at least, in a vast space of turbo lifts.... It reminded me of the doors-on-a-rail-chase in Monsters, Inc, with Pixar's take making perfect sense and Star Trek's version being completely idiotic. Seeing Burnham being pushed into some weird moving material (silver moving cubes - whatever that was) and then when completely blind sighted by that stuff, being able to hit the antagonist with a gun, and coughing up these cubes was another eye roll moment. Wall-E (another Pixar hit!) saving the woman from a deadly magnetic field(?) and talking like in a cartoon... the crew magically waking up from a severe oxygen depletion even through in real life you can only go without it for seconds... More eye-rolls!!

The kid in the fake world causing the Burn; it was just so completely dumb and far off from any scientific theory...

It's as if the writers made up this stuff based on whatever they felt like in the moment, instead of constraining themselves to a set of rules and laws related to Star Trek as a franchise. what happened to this show? The writing is just so, so bad. Please cancel this show and rethink what Star Trek should be about in 2020.
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Third season finale! And three quadrants cry out in bored, disappointed pain...
rsvp3218 January 2021
...the Gamma Quadrant hasn't received the data stream yet. Their review is pending

Tilly with that hairdo looks more and more like John Travolta as a Psychlo in the Battlefield Earth movie (2000) ...Coincidence?!

Every episode increased the tilted head whispering, crying, and gender issues, instead of good Star Trek stories.

It seems that the future Federation is so impotent that the weapons from the whole fleet can't destroy the antique ship Discovery

An extremely interesting mystery of "The Burn" progressed so slowly into a galactic anticlimactic "The Bore"

A fortune was spent on sfx and cgi, but STD has no soul or genuine sci fi content We are watching *soap fantasy*. Bad acting, bad writers, bad directors.

Judging by the laughable elevator ridiculousness this ep, Discovery must be tens of kilometers/miles across!

Season 4 scripts have been clearly revealed this ep, and unbelievably, next year looks to be worse than this season!

STD experiment = epic fail
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