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8/10
A monster in the Thames isn't the only villain as Doctor Who heads into the past
ryanjmorris29 April 2017
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Series 10 of Doctor Who sure is following the tried and tested path, isn't it? As with Series 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, our opening three episodes have seen one set in the present, one in the future and one in the past. Finishing up the three this time around is "Thin Ice", courtesy of Sarah Dollard who also penned last series' breathtaking "Face the Raven". The early positioning of this episode means Dollard is handling a very different kind of story than what she gave us back in 2015, and so "Thin Ice" is hardly going to be quite as memorable in the long run.

That isn't to say it's a bad episode though, because it most certainly isn't. In what may be some of the most extensive production design the show has seen in quite a while, "Thin Ice" finds the Doctor and Bill inadvertently arriving at the last Frost Fair in the 1800s. A massive party set atop the frozen Thames, all seems well for a while until glowing lights start appearing below the ice and a child is sucked under the surface. As per Doctor Who tradition, an investigation begins.

If last week's "Smile" was focused predominantly on Bill and how her and the Doctor's relationship will grow, "Thin Ice" rests more firmly on the Doctor's shoulders. Like most good Doctor Who episodes, though, the perspective still belongs to Bill - we learn about the Doctor through her eyes and her mind. After witnessing the child's saddening demise, Bill is unsurprisingly traumatised and the Doctor's indifference bothers her. "How many people have you seen die?" she asks him. He's lost count. "How many people have you killed" comes the follow up. He doesn't want to answer.

When Peter Capaldi was announced as the twelfth Doctor, we all expected a more closed off character. Lately the show has been doing a stellar job of expanding this standoffish-ness into something a bit more accessible, and "Thin Ice" continues this trend well without sacrificing the sternness we've come to enjoy from Capaldi's Doctor. He won't lie to Bill to make her happy, but he knows the truth will make things even worse. Not answering her question is just about all he can do to keep them on the right track.

The episode soon dives under the ice in a sequence perhaps a tad too ambitious for a show of this budget, but once we're back on ground level again "Thin Ice" begins to soar. Dollard's script admirably refuses to sidestep the racial and societal issues of the time, addressing them in focused and even surprising ways. As well as looking at racism, "Thin Ice" takes a stab at poverty and industry, but the episode never loses focus amid all the themes floating around. Dollard's script brings a lot to the plate, but doesn't lose control of what it's saying.

The Doctor's mini speech on humanity and how we should measure it was an effective moment, perhaps strengthened by its brevity. What he's saying here - that we don't look at humanity via industry and that species' are defined through their handling of the less privileged - shouldn't require a mass of words and big, complex sentences. The moment is simple, concise and thoughtful - it's a real treat.

Ultimately, much like "Smile", "Thin Ice" is marginally undone by its conclusion. The episode gets very chaotic in its final act and it eventually gives way to some choppy editing and a few character decisions that don't feel entirely earned - the Doctor making Bill decide their plan was very reminiscent of "Kill the Moon," only not as thought out. Still, there's nothing here overwhelming enough to destabilise an otherwise strong episode.

The Doctor and Bill's relationship remains this season's highlight, heading down slightly darker territory here but still retaining a sense of fun and loyal companionship. For the most part, "Thin Ice" is appropriately balanced with its plot and its character work, made even more engaging through its impressive production design. For the third season in a row, Doctor Who is on strong footing for something great. Here's to the end of act one, let's hope act two is just as good.

Grade: B+

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7/10
Stands Amongst the Rest...Just Doesn't Stand Out All Too Well
undeadfearz29 April 2017
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Doctor Who's classic trifecta of opening 3 episodes has been made present once again - each of the 3 episodes is either in the present, past or future. In this case, Peter Capaldi's Twelve (or Thirteenth) Doctor and Pearl Mackie's Bill are travelling to the past - although unintentionally.

'Thin Ice' feels like a normal episode of 'Who', complete with monsters, one off characters and a previously unseen backdrop. The backdrop in question is London, 1814 during the last freezing of the Thames and there's a sea monster living under the ice! All sounds very classic who already!

Straight off the bat, we can see how good the production design on Who really is - the costumes, the sets, everything looks genuine and really well made. The CGI has also come a really long way since 2005 with the only exception being a brief underwater sequence.

The writing is also very good here (same writer from the 'Face the Raven' episode) with social issues such as class - and more importantly - race being bravely pushed into the limelight.

There are three separate scenes where race is addressed. Less than five minutes in and Bill is worried about her skin colour being a problem due to the time period; later on she presents her surprise at how many black people there are around, to which the Doctor remarks "History is whitewashed' - one of many examples of the writing in this episode reflecting current affairs with subtlety and wit.

Finally, and a more obvious instance, the villain of the episode sees Bill and calls her a "creature" to which the Doctor punches him right in the face - this is a very clever callback to an earlier line where the Doctor says "I'm 2000 years old...I've never had the time for outrage".

Another example of the writing being great is where Bill, shocked by seeing a child die, questions how many people the Doctor has seen die. It's an unexpected line in the episode, and is an example of a Doctor-companion dynamic we haven't really seen before. The Doctor's silence in response is all the answer Bill requires, and so she then follows it up with "Have you ever killed someone?" To this, the Doctor reluctantly answers yes and he "moves on", but refuses to answer the next question asking how many people he has killed.

We already know that the answer is in the millions and billions, and we know Bill is unaware of this which gives off such a conflicting feeling. We feel as if we are judging the Doctor for a brief moment - until he says he moves on so no-one else dies. It's a standout piece of writing, and really previews at some of the unique scripts we could come to see more of this season.

And as usual, Peter Capaldi gets to monologue a bit - something he does very well. But you should watch that speech for yourself.

The writing of the episode isn't all as good as this, as overall the plot takes a while to get going, resulting in the final act being rushed. This doesn't help the episode stand out in the mountain of chapters this series has, but it definitely helps it to stand amongst them.

My only other gripes would be a lack of explanation to the origins of the sea monster itself. We don't know where it came from, how it was captured or how long its been there.

Oh and some of the child acting is a bit awkward...

SUMMARY:

Apart from a rushed final act and villain (which can be expected when the episode is slightly slow to get going with the plot), some more than questionable child acting and some missing plot points (where did the sea monster come from? Who chained it up? And how did they accomplish this?), this weeks episode is a promising and fun addition to Season 10 of Doctor Who!
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6/10
Doby Mick...
Xstal4 January 2022
You have to feel for poor Bill Potts, she's not been gifted the greatest plots. Doby Mick under the Thames, and parasite fish with glowing stems. Nanobots with a thirst for flesh, and water girls that don't refresh. Whatever next, a haunted house, possessed by Abzorbaloff parasitic space louse!
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6/10
Thin Ice left me cold.
pjgs20029 April 2017
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I don't know what the general consensus is for Thin Ice, but I thought it was kind of boring. So far, The Pilot has been the best episode of the series: it had some nice action, really good cinematography, great performances, strong directing, and a compelling resolution. Smile and Thin Ice both pale in comparison and don't quite match the Pilot's level of quality, excitement, or emotion. With both Thin Ice and Smile, the episodes don't have much mystery and almost no tension throughout the entire 45 minutes.

Thin Ice was a pretty good episode. The performances were good, as usual, but like Smile it was too slow for my liking. The Doctor and Bill make a nice team, it feels like nothing really happens until the end of the episode. Sure, Bill learns a bit more about the Doctor, but aside from that there's no real drama in this episode or anything mysterious/intriguing to pull the viewer in for most of the running time. Although most of the episode wasn't very intriguing, the moment when the villain was about to blow up the Thames with Bill still on it was surprisingly good, with the directing and music working seamlessly to jack up the tension. I did think the ending was nice, and I liked how we saw that the Doctor really cares about Bill when he made that speech about how valuable life is, but unfortunately Thin Ice was really only good for a few minutes in the middle and at the end of its running time.

The music was a bit loud in this one. In the Pilot and Smile it fit each episode perfectly and was never too loud, but in Thin Ice it was a bit overpowering at times, even if it helped create a nice atmosphere.

Overall, Thin Ice wasn't bad, but it wasn't very engaging and for the most part it was inconsequential, at times feeling like a mix of the Beast Below and Kill the Moon. I also hoped that Nardole would have a bigger role in this episode. Still, Thin Ice is an enjoyable episode and has a nice story to it, even if it isn't as interesting as it could have been. 6.5 out of 10.
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8/10
A creature in the ice, a small fly in the ointment but a Doctor on top form.
The third episode of series 10 sees the Doctor and new companion Bill arriving at the last great frost fair on the River Thames, London in 1814. There are strange things lurking under the ice and a very unpleasant person manipulating events above the ice. The Doctor steps in to try to resolve matters.

There are many excellent features to this episode and overall it is very good and enjoyable. Following on from a superb first episode and an ok second episode, series 10 continues to satisfy overall in terms of varied story lines, good scripts, strong character development, quality acting and entertainment.

Capaldi as the Doctor is brilliant and executes everything perfectly in this episode including a powerful speech to the villain which is superb. Indeed there is a lot of powerful stuff in the script with Bill questioning the Doctor's morals, purpose, and way of life (as other companions have periodically since the very start in 1963 when Ian and Barbara challenge the Doctor's morals). The way it is dealt with here is very good indeed and reinforces the character of the Doctor as a man who has to make difficult choices and take difficult actions for the greater good. Steven Moffatt often overplays the darker side of the Doctor and hypes it up a bit in my opinion but writer Sarah Dollard here gets it just right. It questions him but shows that he definitely is making the tough choices for the right reasons.

Issues of racism and how black people were treated in the past are raised and again are dealt with very well. Bill is establishing herself as a fine companion. Well acted and very likable, doing all the things a companion should. She is strong and full of personality but is not overly dominant or over confident in an annoying way.

There are a couple of small negatives, I think:

There is a slight lapse in internal logic/continuity when the Doctor and Bill go under the ice into the Thames in old fashioned diving suits. In real life these suits were exceptionally heavy and required an oxygen line for someone to remain underwater. It seems a little bit odd that in this they are able to move in the suits with relative ease and the means of providing air for them to breathe is not clearly used properly. But the thing that drew my attention more was when they emerge from the water and the suits are dry. This is not a major issue in the story at all but it is a silly and unnecessary flawed moment which took me out of it for a minute.

Also, I feel the effects of the giant fish and of the attacks through the ice are not as good as they could have been.

The fish story is not exactly the most amazing or convincing idea. However, it is interesting to have an unknown earth creature rather than an alien so it has some value in adding variety.

This was a mostly really well written and performed episode.

The regency time period is interesting and the setting is very nice to look at in terms of costume and the iced over River Thames with an atmospheric situation that adds to the feel of the episode.

The villain is suitably horrible and the story is very solid with great moral aspects to the script adding intelligence to the relatively simple plot. That is the what we need from solid Doctor Who and Series 10 is nearly all solid Doctor Who.

My Rating: 8/10.

Series 10 Episode Ranking: 9th out of 14.
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6/10
Thin Ice Thin Plot
Theo Robertson29 April 2017
The Doctor and Bill arrive in London 1814 and learn of a creature living in the frozen Thames

!!!!! SUGGESTIVE SPOILERS !!!!!

So far this year we've been treated to a rather low key show and this is by no means a complaint . In fact it tends to work in the show's favour because the writing , performances and all round drama have replaced an over-reliance on spectacle and noisy nonsense . Thin Ice continues this feel. But there's always a conjunction

But....

.... the downside is it feels like it was written by what's known in British popular culture as a "Guardianista" . Let's see now:

Racism is wrong ? - Check

Capitalism is cruel ? - Check

Men are even more cruel ? - Check

So the monster is the goodie and the baddie is a white male capitalist . One of the great things about classic Who is that it was able - like the very best of science fiction - to mix mind blowing entertainment with subtext. The Silurians from 1970 and Genesis Of The Daleks from 1975 are amongst the greatest pieces of television the show has come up. Continuing the theme here it just feels too obvious and a whole lot of nothing. On top of that an organisation like the BBC should be among the last people on Earth to lecture others on morality since their own track record has been so poor . In fact I was reading an old edition of the Radio Times the other day and took me a while before I realised it was the sex offenders register. Sad but true
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8/10
Fantastic character development
Sleepin_Dragon29 April 2017
As an adventure I thought it was a pretty decent story, loved the Thames setting, loved the almost early classic series vibe about it, the whole linking random historical events to the show, and given a sci-fi explanation. The visuals were great, really impressive, zany in a way, the circus, the elephant, stalls etc. I love the concept of something menacing lurking under The Thames.

Bill's reality check was the highlight of the show, I thought that conversation she had with The Doctor was fantastically well done, she's showing an emotional presence that hasn't existed in a companion I'd argue since Donna, Bill is truly proving to be the real deal.

I wasn't blown away by the character of Lord Sutcliffe, I am a fan of Nicholas Burns, the character wasn't given any time to make any sort of impact. Nicholas Burns is about as villainous as a Labrador puppy.

I loved the ending, I desperately want to know what exactly is behind the doors, could it be the Mondasian Cybermen?

Next week's looks a cracker.

Liked this one 8/10
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7/10
Thin Ice
Prismark1029 April 2017
The Doctor and Bill have landed in Regency London during the last great frost fair on the Thames.

Bill enquires about the ramifications of treading in the past but when a little street urchin falls inside the icy river and devoured by an underwater chained up beast which excretes some kind of explosive poo, the Doctor only cares about retrieving his sonic screwdriver from the child's hand before the lad plunges completely into the water.

An appalled Bill asks how many people has the Doctor seen being killed. We know the it is in the millions. The Doctor answers 'I don't know,' 'I care but I move on.'

Bill then asks the Doctor if he has ever killed someone. Again we know the answer, millions. The Doctor is still reluctant to answer, we know why he always moves on so he does not have to look back.

Lord Sutcliffe was the hissable villain of the week, he had no empathy for his fellow man and his racism led to a punch in the face from the Doctor.

Sutcliffe also controls the beast for his own ends, although the story was simple, the early part of the episode was just a bit slow to get going. The production values and photography though were top notch. Mist was craftily used to cover up the limitations of the sets, for interiors, canvas and tents were deployed and the underwater sequence with CGI were rather niftily done.
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9/10
Awesome episode....
wekenfi1 May 2017
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I found Thin Ice to be a very good episode. It builds the characters wonderfully, has a really satisfying resolution, and some great dialogue. I loved the Doctor's speech to the villain, and Bill's reaction to seeing a child die. Capaldi was great, as was Mackie, but it's a pity that Matt Lucas didn't get much screen time. I also loved the sets and the directing.

Thin Ice was an awesome episode. It's too bad there are so many troll voters who can't deal with Bill being a minority and are rating all three episodes so far a 1/10, calling her inclusion an "SJW cringyfest," whatever that means. People are black and people are gay, and it's high time that TV shows, especially Doctor Who, started to represent that.

9/10
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6/10
A good episode from a show in form
studioAT1 May 2017
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The ending of the last episode setting up this one didn't exactly excite me. The sight of an elephant on the Thames seemed rather silly.

But I watched the episode that followed and was particularly impressed. Not only is there a good plot to sustain the lovely quips between Capaldi (who has really settled into the role) and Pearl Mackie, and this episode also asks important questions about who the Doctor really is, and his attitude towards the people he's killed/seen die across the show's 50 odd year run.

This whole 10th series has been a return to form, and this episode is a good example of this.
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9/10
All the poop on Thin Ice
tymbus30 April 2017
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Thin Ice (episode three, latest season) was one of the best episodes that I have seen recently partly because the story was actually coherent even if, as a a friend remarked, Doctor Who episodes are so brief these days that it feels like you are watching the notes for a story rather than the story itself.

Thin Ice was set in 19th century London during a Frost Fair on the river Thames. The river would infrequently freeze over during what has been described as a mini ice age, although the frozen Thames was partly the result of the arches of the old London Bridge damming any ice and stemming the tidal flow of the river. See, Doctor Who historical adventures can still prove educational except that here the frost fairs are explained by a big energy converting fish chained underwater by the Sutcliffe family. Don't go with this explanation in your school essays kids!

The period was nicely evoked while challenging audience expectations of the past. I raised an eyebrow at the prevalence of Black characters, but that, it turns out, was my ignorance. If memory cheats, the memory of History deliberately over looks (a 1769 magazine estimated that there were 20,000 'Negroe' (sic)servants in London. So Bill fitted right in. Except when she failed to know her place and the Doctor felt the need to punch out Lord Sutcliffe in a rabble rousing blow for anti-racism. The sentiments were anachronistic, and, as historians would note 'Whigish' but The TARDIS ,The Doctor and chums are built for the pleasures of anachronism.

There were also echoes of fictional London. A gang of pick pockets(brought to life by an excellent child cast) worked the crowd and hats off to the writer for not over playing the parallels to Fagin's gang of child thieves in Oliver Twist . I have a feeling that the monstrous fish was supposed demolish London Bridge as it fled the scene (which would itself have ended the frost fairs) but the CGI was, to put it politely, indistinct at that point.

Sarah Dollard's script back grounded a lot of the plot mechanics so we are told a lot about the scenario but she avoided the info dumping that spoiled 'Smile'. The fish's poo turned out to be amazing fuel for the furnaces of the Sutlicife family's factories and mills, blah, blah, blah.

Instead a lot of time and space was given to developing the Doctor and Bill's relationship through Bill coming to terms with mortality, again unlike 'Smile' in which the characters mostly exchanged quips. It is sad news that actress Pearl Mackie is leaving the season at the end (will Bill die?). She is a real asset to the show and her character has left her awkward origin story well behind to strike up a relationship with the Doctor that can be, by turns, fun and deep.

The story didn't deliver the creepy unease that Moffat manages although there were scenes that should have delivered that even for adults like me: the huge human eye of the monster and the children being sucked beneath the ice by matter transporting parasitic fish which announced their presence with green bio luminescence. But I value a clear plot with scene to scene continuity more than flashy dialogue, scare moments and great imagery that makes not one jot of sense.

Thin Ice delivered a well crafted tale that had plenty for fans. For some it is a special thrill to see the Doctor & Co. adopting clothing contemporaneous with the period the TARDIS visits. For the mind rather than the eye, there were themes and sub texts (parallels between the enslaved fish and slavery ran just beneath the surface) and nods to the more superficial pleasures of the season arc.

What or who is locked up in time vault? Some guess The Master, some Missy and some the first incarnation of The Doctor (played by David Bradly) who is due to come back in the season finale and Crimbo special.

After three enjoyable stories, I actually seem to care about the answer.

PS.Having read other reviews here, I want to directly address the bonkers claims that the BBC was pursuing a left wing agenda by including a Black cast and that had they wished to do a story with Black characters they should set it it in Africa! (I visibly paled with shock on reading that). Where the script was a little crass, was in calling History 'a Whitewash'. This drastically simplified debates around History as too often the story of Great White Men.

What is the case is that London has been an ethnically diverse melting pot for hundreds of years and this diversity does not usually get reflected in representations of the past on mainstream TV or the popular imagination. A real eye-opener for me was 'The Jewel House', Deborah E Harkness's account of Elizabethan London that points to the contribution immigrants to London made to science through the development of crafts and technology.

There are complex issues around recovering lives that have been hidden from history e.g. the lives of the working class, people of colour and women. But the ethnic diversity of London, now and in the past, is not an agenda. It is reality. Live with it.
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Bill is gorwing into a companion character
doctor-934-20711129 April 2017
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Wow! This is mindblowing!!

No explanation to what the creature in the Thames is or what came about, but a good storyline!

The Doctor and Bill are in London 1814 where an ice carnival is happening.

So the TARDIS does land and should check his scanner before going out.

Privilege, scandal, urchins, you name it well written.

So people are pulled into the Thames and are a meal

Why?

The Doctor sees a disappearance for himself , a poor young thief named Spider, and decides to get involved (Typical).

He does get the street children / urchins onside (good writing on social consciousness).

The Doctor decides to get Scuba gear and dive in!!

Underneath is a creature that is chained( why?)

Further exploration to a factory with the help of a circus worker reveals mud brick that can be used as rocket fuel.

The Doctor visit the villain Lord Sutcliff and here comes the action. He fakes Club credential and when Sutcliff becomes ungentlemanly, the fight breaks out and the Doctor and Bill are arrested.

The doctor makes the most compassionate speak and have no effect.

Both the Doctor and Bill are sent to the Thames and the desperation now climbs.

Sonic Screwdriver to the rescue and the man with the tattoo holding the sonic screwdriver is lunch.

The best scene. The Doctor is a servant to humanity and Bill has to give the order.

A decision making moment for the companion that makes this the best episode so far.

Yes for liberation and then the action happens.

Bill and street urchins evacuate the river.

The Doctor works on his side.

Sutcliff decides to blow up the river circus.

Instead the Doctor reroutes the explosives to free the creature.

Game on! Sonic Screwdriver is recoverable.

Sutcliff is that last lunch for the fish.

Love the ending where the urchins inherit the Sutcliffe name.

And that newspaper clip rock.

So what is in the vault?
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7/10
Thin story but a mostly fun historical romp nonetheless
dkiliane12 December 2019
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Historical adventure episodes tend to be a little hit or miss for me in Doctor Who, and this one unfortunately has some pretty big misses. Mostly with the story. The sea creature under the frozen Thames during the last frost fair in 19th century London might sound interesting but the idea never really progresses from there. Also, we are too hurried from one scene to the next to ever really feel like anything important is happening, and most of the characters are rather throw-away, including the villain, who is defeated rather ignominiously.

With that said, the episode still has a number of good points - - decent humor throughout, some touching moments along with good moments for Bill's character growth, and just a generally fun feel to the episode. Bill's uncertainty of being in 19th century London as a young black woman and her anger toward The Doctor for his seemingly nonchalant attitude toward death (especially a child's death here) is both understandable and poignant. Of course, we know The Doctor's side but Bill does not. The issue of race is handled interestingly here, with the sea creature doubling as a metaphor for slavery, and is one of the highlights of the episode, both from a serious and humorous point of view. Unfortunately, most of the rest of the episode, while admittedly enjoyable to watch as a whole, is still rather forgettable. Although definitely better than the previous episode. 7.5/10
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3/10
Another one of the far too PC episodes!
prhayhurst30 April 2017
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As it is a BBC program, you get used to the ultra liberal, PC undertones of this show. Mostly it is fine, and you can put it to the back of your mind, and enjoy the episode, mostly. Though with this one, as with many proper historical dramas the BBC have done, history is being rewritten in order to accommodate their liberal narrative. Bill says about her colour after coming out of the Tardis in 1800's London, and slavery was still around, I thought, wow, they never mention colour, I'm impressed. Then as they were walking, we see plenty of black faces, fine, though dressed in fine clothes and top hats, lovely dresses and parasols, and many black British Soldiers as well. Bill says it's a lot more black than she thought, when the Doctor says the past has been Whitewashed! Ah, righty oh then. History being changed to suit today's liberal attitude. Poor episode, though it was tainted for me anyway.
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7/10
Thin Ice
MrFilmAndTelevisionShow6 September 2021
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"It's 1814....slavery is still totally a thing!" Slavery was abolished in 1807 in the UK so will it's still totally a thing in the US at that time, in the UK it is not, so there's a fact check for them. The episode was fine, it was a little bit anti-climactic however. I prefered the lower-rated episode: Smile.
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8/10
A monster lurks under the frozen Thames
Tweekums30 April 2017
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As this episode opens Bill and The Doctor find themselves in London in February of 1814 when the last of the famous Frost Fairs was taking place. At first Bill is worried that, as a black person, she will stand out in Regency London but we soon see that she is far from the only black person around. She is also a little concerned that the tiniest action could have major ramifications; to which The Doctor points out that they certainly did for her friend 'Pete' who has been erased from history… it takes a few seconds for her to cotton on that he is teasing.

As the episode progresses the head out onto the ice to enjoy the fair. A pair of street urchins pick The Doctor's pocket and take his sonic screwdriver. Before he can get it back something below the ice takes the boy leaving the screwdriver on the refrozen ice. Bill is upset that there is nothing The Doctor can do to save the boy and even more upset that he doesn't seem to be concerned… he is more concerned about finding out what is under the ice. It is eventually discovered to be a very large aquatic creature; somebody is holding it captive and harvesting its 'waste products' for fuel. The Doctor and Bill will have to find out who is behind this before more people are lured to their deaths on the ice.

I really enjoyed this episode; largely because I've always been somewhat fascinated by the Frost Fairs… something we are unlikely to see again for a very long time. I enjoyed the way the fair was depicted; even showing the elephant that really was taken out onto the ice during that last Frost Fair. The story itself was pretty solid with a good 'monster' before we learn that the real monster of the episode is very much human. Some may think it was a bit heavy handed to bring up the subject of race but no doubt if no mention had been made similar numbers would be wondering why not… and it is understandable that Bill would have been concerned as history teaching hardly emphasises that there were black Britons long before largescale post-war immigration. I liked the way the creature was depicted; a classic 'sea monster' that hunted in a way that provided some decent tension; I certainly hadn't expected a child to be killed. This part of the story had a nice feel-good ending that led up to a short finale where we were reminded of 'The Vault' and here something inside; something that sounded unpleasant. Overall I enjoyed this historical episode; especially the way it intertwined a science fiction story with real events.
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8/10
A fun romp which still manages to retain a darker edge
The-Last-Prydonian1 May 2017
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Continuing from where the previous week's "Smile" left off, "Thin Ice", the latest offering of the current series sees the Doctor and Bill in London, in 1814 where the city celebrates the largest Frost Fair in its history. However, the locals celebrating the festivities are being snatched away by an immense sea creature that is chained beneath the bottom of the river. Determined to prevent any more innocent lives from falling victim to the beast, the Doctor with the help of his young companion endeavor to discover who has it chained up and why. Written by Sarah Dollard who wrote series 9's "The Raven", I'm pleased to say that while not a masterpiece, "Thin Ice" continues the up-flow trend in the quality of the series which thus far I'm glad to say is proving to be superior to series 9. Less elaborate in terms of its plot than last week's "Smile", it opts for a more simplistic one with the trope of a human villain behind the plot which has been done befor. Despite this it still makes for a fun, enjoyable romp while still retaining something of a darker edge. It certainly isn't afraid to be a bit daring, with one of the victims of the creature being a young street urchin which I wasn't quite expecting and means Bill who along with the Doctor witnessed the boy's death, struggles to come to terms with and leading to a superbly written and performed moment where her faith in the Doctor is undermined.

We also get to see more of the softer side of Capaldi's incarnation, who is attempting to win the trust of a small group of street urchins seemingly led by Kitty played by young newcomer Atu Koroma, who gives a phenomenal performance for one so young and could potentially be a future star in the making. Displaying compassion and empathy we see a man less reluctant to bond with others, as he quite contently reads a story to the children who he temporarily finds under his and Bill's charge. Pearl Mackie continues to impress as Bill, who as the series is progressing I'm finding myself liking immensely and continues to be spirited and resilient while sweet and caring, the kind of qualities that you want in a "Doctor Who" companion. She is a perfect match for Capaldi's incarnation with the chemistry and the growing relationship between the two being palpably felt when the Doctor makes a noble gesture of trust. A move that cements the faith he is already having in her. This is a man who has previously learned from previous mistakes ie "Kill the Moon", with his behavior neatly contrasting that.

If there are flaws, the story is rather unremarkable and is slightly reminiscent of series 5's "The Beast Below", while Lord Sutcliffe is a rather two-dimensional villain, despite actor Nicholas Burns giving a very solid performance given what he has to work with. Overall, despite these faults, "Thin Ice" still manages to be more than its parts, and although not as clever or imaginative as previous stories it never the less makes for an entertaining, traditional monster story that isn't afraid to dally with the grimmer themes with the story even if it's plot is somewhat hackneyed. And with an intriguing coda which may or may not foreshadow the return of Missy who it has been revealed to return (as is John Simm as his incarnation of Missy/The Master) I await next week's episode, "Knock Knock guest starring David Suchet with bated breath.
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10/10
Great Morals! Great Monster! Characters?
Robinson251130 April 2017
It's generally a companion's third episode where she witnesses her first death, and it's usually a tough moment for them. They start to question the Doctor's morals, and question whether they should be on these adventures in the first place, but Thin Ice takes this one step further.

This is an episode that has many brilliantly realised moral undertones and a great understanding of two very strong subjects: Sexism and Racism.

It handles them with care, and a sense of victory as the sexist, racist antagonist is punched square in the face by our time- travelling hero, and despite dealing with them in a light-hearted way, it never makes a joke of them which is definitely the right direction for a pre-watershed sci-fi show.

Thin Ice involves a giant monster spanning the length of the River Thames chained under the ice in Victorian London, by an evil rich businessman who uses it's... um, excrement for fuel as a alternative for fossil fuels.

It's a simple plot that's easy to understand, which is why it's all the more baffling that it never gets properly explained, but I'll get to that later. First, the good stuff...

Thin Ice is fun story that is really enjoyable. The snowy Victorian setting is much better than most of Doctor Who's previous attempts at portraying this era, dealing with homeless children who have to pickpocket for money, and the festival on the frozen Thames which was a nice idea.

I found this much more compelling than yet another candle-lit street with Victorian people yelling at each other, which is what you see in most Victorian shows these days.

The concept of a Thames size monster is a weird one, but I'm glad they didn't just use it as a joke for the sake of getting another episode out-there.

Series 10 so far has been really good at taking ideas that sound stupid on paper, and making them into compelling stories: A Sentient Puddle, A Grief Tsunami, A Monster the shape of the Thames.

The concept of the antagonist using the creature's excrement as a fuel source is one that hits home in this day and age, when we're constantly being told that the fossil fuels are running out and we need to find alternatives. It's nice to think that they were already planning in the Victorian era.

This is another idea that's handled in an emotional way. This whole scene reminded me of two episodes that have come before. The Doctor saying that they couldn't leave the creature to suffer under the ice anymore reminded me of Series 5's The Beast Below, and the Doctor telling Bill that it was her planet and therefor her decision reminded me of the final scene from Series 8's Kill the Moon.

Except, Thin Ice does this far better than both of the previous episodes. The Beast Below didn't really have any substance to back it up, and Kill the Moon's ending was completely nonsensical to begin with.

This episode makes you feel like the Doctor has learned his lesson from the end of Kill the Moon where he threw Clara into a life or death situation to save a creature, and then abandoned her. Here, the Doctor tells Bill it's her decision, but he'll stay and do what he tells her.

This is the best Capaldi's Doctor has ever been. Telling Bill to make the decision, but understanding how hard it is for her, which I didn't get from Kill the Moon. It's a lovely moment and one that I think should be remembered when talking about Capaldi's Doctor in the coming years.

Now for some bad stuff... The characters in this episode are about as thin as the titular ice. They have no substance to them what-so- ever. The children are just there so the Doctor will have someone to help, and the main antagonist is only there because, every episode needs an antagonist right?

He has a relevance in the story, but no real effect. The only character trait I get from this guy is that he's sexist and he's racist, and he's only both of those things to drive home the themes of the episode, and so we can have that awesome moment where the Doctor punches him in the face.

The CGI is also rather bad. The shot of the monster swimming out to sea looks really cheap, and the death of the antagonist (sorry, I can't remember his name he's so under-developed) looks horrible.

But at least we have the great shot of the Doctor and Bill looking at the giant eye.

There's also a lack of explanation as to the origins of the creature. The doctor states that it might not be Alien, but stops there, and we never get a definitive answer as to where this creature came from, or what it is, which is a shame as I was quite interested in this thing.

Also, will we ever find out what happened to it?

Overall... Thin Ice is a lot of fun. It has a wonderfully witty script, great performances, a good monster, and some fantastic moral undertones.

The characters could be more developed, but it's still as compelling a compelling story that works brilliantly. We really are on a role with Series 10.
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8/10
First Classic in a Long Time
scampster-453771 May 2017
This is one of those episodes that leaves me feeling happy and anticipating the next story of the series. I haven't felt that about Doctor Who in a very long time (probably around Series 5 or 6). Bill (Mackie) has a more emotional journey this time around, yet it still manages to be a lighthearted feel-good episode. Capaldi gives a nice little speech, that makes the relationship between The Doctor and Bill even stronger. This Series is truly off to a great start. (Also, the next episode looks fantastic).

Episode 3 "Thin Ice" - 8/10
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2/10
Amazingly bad story, and more cognitive dissonance than a religious political conference.
evimchine30 April 2017
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So, the Doctor lands in the 1800s and the first thing you notice as a viewer, is the intense level of "diversitywashing" / history re-writing going on. You know, that one that pretends to be on the opposite of the racism and discrimination scale, but doesn't tell you that the scale is a ring and it's touching the other end. As if the polarity of one's reality distortion would matter… If they want to show us different cultures, why not have an episode play in an actual normal African place for a change? If they can make it fake-snow, they can make it fake-sunny too. After all, half the point of watching this show, is for the unknown and insights into other ways of living and thinking. That would've been a lot more fun. But hey, at least it may fulfil this job for Nigerians and people in India, so there's a silver lining. :)) (I don't mean that in a sarcastic way.)

THE STORY unfolds to some huge sea creature, whose size can apparently vary from an animal that passes between the narrow pillars of bridges without touching them, over a huge whale/dinosaur that would definitely wreck those pillars, to as long as the entirety of the Thames that passes through London and as thick as 70% of the Thames. Which is held captive by the most stereotypical of 1800s imperialist/industrial nobility. Complete with hat, moustache, henchmen, and comically oversized detonator to push down while angrily clenched teeth. For the purpose of eating poor street children and (literally) shitting out space rocket fuel. Everything in-between was a rather chaotic mess, as usual, with the motto of 'dazzling people with "there's something happening" for lack of anything touching or of memorable relevance'. You are left with a wasted 44 minutes and barely anything but emptiness inside where an impression should be. Talk about thought-terminating clichées!

The only good thing was a bit of nice Doctor-Companion character-development interaction, and "the door" at the end. (Which suggests strongly, that this was a filler.)

THE AESTHETICS are exactly the same as always with such stories. The one's we've seen from Guy Richie's Sherlock Holmes to Star Trek "holo deck" episodes. As if the same costumes have been passed around for generations. Just this time without the usual gritty visual filters. (Remember: It wants to appeal to children.)

ALL IN ALL, there was nothing to leave a lasting impression, except for a mild disappointment in the hate shown by the writers, and mostly by how little it impressed. No matter who you are, or what your views are… this will be the same for you.

But at least, they minimized the risk of "offending" anyone. And that's what it's all about. (Although I'm mildly triggered by them breathing and there being a a sky. Why are you non-breather shaming and mole people shaming?) }And *that* /was/ sarcasm. :}

FINALLY, it looks like the next episode is even going to be worse, with the utterly worn-out "haunted house that eats people" story template.

___ P.S. Dear IMDb: Unamerican English is not wrong, square brackets are not markup, and when I make line breaks, I make them for a reason!
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9/10
Very very good
samtimoney-797582 December 2021
Doctor who in the thick of its element. Love it. Well paced, Silly, smart, character development, a great step in series. I love bill and Peter Capaldi is just in his prime here. Very underrated episode.
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3/10
About as generic as it gets... until next episode
Alondro1 May 2017
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OK, another monster in the Thames. We've been there before. Several times. And this one has somehow been there... forever? How? Why? Who chained it the first time? Why hadn't it moved before it was chained? Why did people chain it rather than kill it hundreds(?) of years ago when it was first 'caught' when they wouldn't have had the means or forethought to check the magical poo of the thing to see if it would be good fuel. Why does it need to eat people? Wouldn't practically any mammal do, given we're all constructed basically the same? This can't simply be brushed off! The monster is your CORE PLOT DEVICE and it NEEDS a reason for being there in a historically highly populated area with intense ship traffic where there is no way in heck it wouldn't have been noticed by now given its sheer size. Even the WORST of the old series tried to give some sort of reason the monster of the week was where it was! And the villain is so one-dimensionally over the top and uninteresting and un-compelling and flat... ugh, I would have preferred a comic villain in the vein of Dr. Evil! And the Doctor in this one... since when does THE DOCTOR sympathize more with the monster that EATS PEOPLE! I don't even know who this character is anymore! If the monster had, I dunno, been sapient and starving and felt sad about eating people but it had no other food... maybe I could accept it... sort of? But as far as we are told, it's just an animal. A man-eating animal. Like ones The Doctor has blown up in many many episodes in the past 50 years. And last I checked, we still tended to kill every man-eating everything anyway. Are we supposed to now feel sorry for the giant python that ate the guy a couple weeks ago? The storytelling is simply preposterous now.

I don't blame Capaldi any more than I did poor Sylvester McCoy... the writers should be ashamed. They get PAID to write this series, and it's as though they're not even trying. I've seen BAD fanfics better than this drivel.

The only thing that will make this episode better is comparing it to the NEXT episode, which is a horror cliché so overdone that the Outer Limits already did it TWICE, and then there was the movie "Monster House". And Doctor Who has ALSO used familiar themes several times. Remember the people disappearing into the fake second-floor flat that was really a space-ship? For a series that can take its characters literally anywhere in the universe in any time... it seems really invested in going nowhere but where everyone has already tread a worn and tired path.
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5/10
Dull, contrived and preachy
jamesrupert201422 May 2017
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The episode is mostly filler material, a well done (if illogical) CGI monster, an anachronistically diverse Oliver-Twist-like group of urchins, a generic upper-class, capitalist bad guy, and, of course, a "message" (or two or three). The story makes little sense and has the same cop-out ending as the generally despised "In the Forest of the Night". It would have been much more fun if the giant fish had been pooping out starship fuel (like Nibbler in "Futurama") but then we couldn't be proselytized at about the evils of Victorian England and the industrial revolution (on the other hand, we are spared the sight of the Doctor embracing misunderstood aliens in the spirit of intergalactic "Why can't we all just get along?"). Watching Patrick Troughton (2nd doctor) fight robots made out of tinfoil and cardboard boxes is still entertaining but I wonder who, in 30 years, is going to watch the current crop of Doctor Who.
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3/10
2 in a row
warlordartos28 April 2021
While a little bit more exiting than last weeks episode, this still had the same form in the rushed ending. The bit about being black in 1800's England was done way better with 10th Doctor and Martha in the Shakespearean era, but I guess they have to repeat themselves nearly word from word every now and then?
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